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Originally Posted by vanillabean
(Post 33940137)
På tirsdag kan vi smide mundbindet og coronapasset
https://politiken.dk/forbrugogliv/su...g-coronapasset So she appeared to dismiss being infected as anything to consider.
Originally Posted by TomMM
(Post 33940392)
These are interesting positions to take. Denmark seems to believe that as long as their healthcare system isn’t overwhelmed everything is okay.
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Originally Posted by WilcoRoger
(Post 33940313)
While in Finland we're not so ahead as Denmark is, the municipal authorities of the capital region already say "If you have no symptoms, you may go to work even if infected. If you have symptoms, just stay home" and there're no "official" (read: free) tests even if you test positive at home. Just another flu, the general thinking goes.
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Originally Posted by TomMM
(Post 33940392)
These are interesting positions to take. Denmark seems to believe that as long as their healthcare system isn’t overwhelmed everything is okay.
Anyone who still thinks we can stop covid is simply delusional. |
Originally Posted by vanillabean
(Post 33940137)
På tirsdag kan vi smide mundbindet og coronapasset
https://politiken.dk/forbrugogliv/su...g-coronapasset So she appeared to dismiss being infected as anything to consider. |
Originally Posted by the810
(Post 33940799)
Of course. How does a positive test affect anyone? What matters is how many people are ill. Actually, what matters is how many people are seriously ill. And that number is pretty low right now.
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What matters is how many people are infectious, as more infections include more risk for and from illness. It’s why we have had these cycles of “closing” and “opening” going on repeatedly in Denmark and even in Sweden.
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Originally Posted by TomMM
(Post 33941089)
A covid positive person not feeling ill transmits covid to another person who gets seriously ill.
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Originally Posted by TomMM
(Post 33941089)
A covid positive person not feeling ill transmits covid to another person who gets seriously ill.
I think the horror scene we saw in 2020 Italy should not be seen now, and it seems that most people are getting rather mild symptoms. At least in DK, if they do go down with Covid, there are respirators readily available (not like Sweden). There are a lot of people ill in DK at the moment (my kids said a lot of teachers are on sick leave and one day my older one was let go early because they can't find a sub for them). |
An infected person’s normal breathing leaves a plume of the virus in the air even absent coughing, sneezing, breathing heavily. And since fresh air circulation in so many buildings in Scandinavia is rather weak, the concentration can build up a lot even when it’s infectious “asymptomatic” types passing by. And that hits people who come by the virus “plume” even when those going by the plume observe no sneezing, coughing, panting.
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Originally Posted by GUWonder
(Post 33942673)
An infected person’s normal breathing leaves a plume of the virus in the air even absent coughing, sneezing, breathing heavily. And since fresh air circulation in so many buildings in Scandinavia is rather weak, the concentration can build up a lot even when it’s infectious “asymptomatic” types passing by. And that hits people who come by the virus “plume” even when those going by the plume observe no sneezing, coughing, panting.
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Originally Posted by nacho
(Post 33943272)
True. But this also applies to flu and cold too. There are also people who are died from flu and do we shut down the society every winter? That's why the risk group gets free flu shots every year.
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Originally Posted by vanillabean
(Post 33943317)
Except good health and natural immunity work better for the flu than for Covid?
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Originally Posted by nacho
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Vaccination? That's why I don't agree with the Swedish strategy in 2020 when there was NO vaccine and they blindly went after herd immunity and saying that by June 2020 they would have herd immunity (the guy repeated a few times since and he was quiet :D ) and then some doctors tested people in an area of Stockholm and found very few people have antibody against Covid.
Measuring antibody levels for a pathogen is an arguably poor measure to determine a population’s resilience in the face of a given pathogen. B and T cells have a huge part to play in how well a person — and population do — when encountering a pathogen, and so antibody levels may not tell the whole story. But these “immunity” level things are no simple thing to measure reliably across large populations when it comes to a virus, which is why I was always rolling my eyes when JG and AT were saying what they were saying in 2020 (but not only in 2020). People who managed to avoid the flu and colds in Denmark and Sweden during this pandemic don’t seem to have managed as well to avoid Covid-19. Seems to me that Covid-19 may be more communicable than colds and the flu during this pandemic. |
Originally Posted by GUWonder
(Post 33944160)
“Long cold” doesn’t really add to government/taxpayer costs? Well, except perhaps during the pandemic. “Long Covid” is a completely different story, even for those hit by Omicron and then ending up with “long Covid”.
Measuring antibody levels for a pathogen is an arguably poor measure to determine a population’s resilience in the face of a given pathogen. B and T cells have a huge part to play in how well a person — and population do — when encountering a pathogen, and so antibody levels may not tell the whole story. But these “immunity” level things are no simple thing to measure reliably across large populations when it comes to a virus, which is why I was always rolling my eyes when JG and AT were saying what they were saying in 2020 (but not only in 2020). People who managed to avoid the flu and colds in Denmark and Sweden during this pandemic don’t seem to have managed as well to avoid Covid-19. Seems to me that Covid-19 may be more communicable than colds and the flu during this pandemic. You may blame that on vaccination but a friend of mine said most only had 2 jabs in Canada. I got a bad lung after a bad pneumonia and after a cough I sneeze immediately, this things happen so should the healthcare gives me super priority when I had that flu? I don't think the attitude towards flu/cold would change after this either. A co-worker of Mr's had both Covid and a flu/cold at the same time, not that we have been having symptoms and we all tested negative. We don't get a test to see if we have a flu/cold (at least not in DK/SE), if you hear the coughing and sneezing, doesn't mean they have Covid. Let's see if I'm still alive by the end of February :D |
From 1 February 2022, the following entry limits apply to Denmark: -All persons from all over the world with a valid evidence of vaccination with a recognized vaccine or former infection may enter Denmark without being greeted by Covid-19 entry limits. -People who enter the EU and Schengen without valid evidence of vaccination with a recognized vaccine or former infection must take a test within 24 hours of entry unless one has a negative antigen (48 hours) or PCR test (72 hours) made prior to entry. -People who enter countries outside the EU or the Schengen area without a valid evidence of vaccination with a recognized vaccine or former infection must be aware of whether you enter from a Covid-19 risk land (PT. 13 countries outside the EU and Schengen) or A Covid-19 high-risk land (the rest of the world). Upon entry from a Covid-19 risk land there is a requirement for test within 24 hours of entry. Upon entry from a Covid-19 high-risk country, there are requirements for testing and isolation after entry. https://sum.dk/nyheder/2022/januar/i...1-februar-2022 Difference in the EU, Schengen and other countries In addition to virtually all coronary restrictions ceasing at January's output, Covid-19 will no longer be considered as a social critical illness when the calendar shows February. As it is now, admissions must be able to show documentation for a negative coronatest made prior to the journey to Denmark. However, people resident in Denmark can make the test within 24 hours after entry. There is a requirement for isolation for ten days - depending on where you come from. There is no requirement for isolation if you enter from an EU or Schengenland. https://nyheder.tv2.dk/samfund/2022-...mark-uden-krav |
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