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Dec 30, 2001 | 11:59 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Direct posting of COMMERCIAL ADVERTISEMENTS is NOT permitted.
Do not CROSS POST under the guise of "please read and then tell to others!!!" If you do, you'll find your ability to post on FlyerTalk may be restricted. </font>
Do not CROSS POST under the guise of "please read and then tell to others!!!" If you do, you'll find your ability to post on FlyerTalk may be restricted. </font>
Dec 31, 2001 | 4:10 am
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Oh, for heaven's sake. If you're going to go on a crusade, at least have the decency to read the whole thread.
My post was DIRECTLY in response to Fireflyreaction's request:
Sigh...
My post was DIRECTLY in response to Fireflyreaction's request:
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Posted by FireflyReaction
i'd be interested to see which major travel websites covered it. could you please share? </font>
i'd be interested to see which major travel websites covered it. could you please share? </font>
Dec 31, 2001 | 9:15 am
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Matthew- I have been taking all of this Milespy stuff in ..until now. I just wanted to say that I've come to the conclusion that there is MUCH envy/jealousy on this board! There are many "haters" here that simply don't want to see anyone else make financial gains on something that they either didn't think of...or didn't have the resources to follow through with.
Of course..they will never admit to this...and will always use the guise of you "breaking rules" or "ethics concerns" or similar anomalies.
I say BRAVO to you.....and good luck!
Of course..they will never admit to this...and will always use the guise of you "breaking rules" or "ethics concerns" or similar anomalies.
I say BRAVO to you.....and good luck!
Dec 31, 2001 | 9:43 am
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For the last time, it is NOT jealousy. Rather, it is a strong distaste for situational ethics. As I have stated before in this thread, http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum97/HTML/000626.html ,:
What would FlyerTalk become if each of us took every tip/loophole/legitimate promo/nugget of advice/etc. posted here and tried to turn it into a commercial venture?
IM4Travel, whether I had the idea (BTW the triple GoldPoints promo was posted in the Radisson forum 11/15/01, and the ValueMags deal was posted in several forums shortly thereafter) or the financial ability has absolutely no bearing on whether the whole scheme is ethical. In my book, ethics are anything but an anomaly.
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">I, like every other FTer, have benefitted greatly from FT. I try to give back when I can by posting information that other FTers, acting in good faith, might find useful. I figure that what goes around comes around, and that even though "loopholes" get closed (or programs pulled, rules tightened, ... insert whatever term that suits your fancy), in the end I benefit from sharing information with other like-minded individuals. Subject to my own moral and ethical limitations, I take advantage of as many ideas as I can. The issue for me is when one of our own takes information posted and/or developed here in our community and then attempts to use that information for a commercial profit. It is irrelevant to me whether that person is providing a needed service, charging a fair price, or making a profit. The use (abuse, exploitation, ...) of a loophole will eventually lead to it either being closed or restricted. "Selling" FT information hurts the community. As a whole, we are losing a "benefit" with nothing in return from the MileSpy customers. Not to mention the fact that the commercial use of this information will have a chilling effect on the free exchange of new information on FT. That, at least in my opinion, is wrong. </font>
IM4Travel, whether I had the idea (BTW the triple GoldPoints promo was posted in the Radisson forum 11/15/01, and the ValueMags deal was posted in several forums shortly thereafter) or the financial ability has absolutely no bearing on whether the whole scheme is ethical. In my book, ethics are anything but an anomaly.
Dec 31, 2001 | 10:00 am
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hi matthew...just a quick thanks for pointing out the links...i was just curious to see where else the valuemags/goldpoints promo was getting press.
i don't think matthew violated any commercial posting prohibition by answering my question. everyone who has read this thread already knows what milespy is about. it would be akin to not allow advertising on the university campus and then ban a course on marketing/advertising.
cheers
i don't think matthew violated any commercial posting prohibition by answering my question. everyone who has read this thread already knows what milespy is about. it would be akin to not allow advertising on the university campus and then ban a course on marketing/advertising.
cheers
Jan 1, 2002 | 9:26 am
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by IM4Travel:
See Matthew....the guise of "ethics" again. </font>
See Matthew....the guise of "ethics" again. </font>
Why not address the issue that I raised?
Jan 2, 2002 | 2:41 am
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From the Globe and Mail up here in Canada:
Earning free flights with magazines and sausages
[This message has been edited by Empress (edited 01-02-2002).]
Earning free flights with magazines and sausages
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Jan 10, 2002 | 5:23 am
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What ever happened to those milespy.com fellows?
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum...ML/001343.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum...ML/001343.html
Jan 10, 2002 | 8:00 am
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I was thinking about this venture a lot over my vacation. I agree with those who say that the offer created a commodity it is only natural for markets to arise around fungable commodities.
I think if anyone is to "blame" here it is ValuMags who were sloppy in their marketing scheme. They were too loose with the terms of the offer and left themselves open to this sort of commoditization of their offer.
It is also clear, however, that the airlines, hotels, etc have set up pretty darn tight programs to avoid this sort of problem. Sure there are mileage brokers, but they operate clearly outside the rules and their clients can and will be screwed over if caught.
So I'm not at all worried about much of a commodity or futures or even derivatives market arising that will threaten future programs. To the contrary, I would argue that MileSpy has done all marketers a FAVOR by pointing out how NOT to set up a marketing incentive program.
JMHO....
I think if anyone is to "blame" here it is ValuMags who were sloppy in their marketing scheme. They were too loose with the terms of the offer and left themselves open to this sort of commoditization of their offer.
It is also clear, however, that the airlines, hotels, etc have set up pretty darn tight programs to avoid this sort of problem. Sure there are mileage brokers, but they operate clearly outside the rules and their clients can and will be screwed over if caught.
So I'm not at all worried about much of a commodity or futures or even derivatives market arising that will threaten future programs. To the contrary, I would argue that MileSpy has done all marketers a FAVOR by pointing out how NOT to set up a marketing incentive program.
JMHO....