I think you guys are very enterprising.

This type of promotion makes it easy for others to be Pudding Guy without having to do all the work. I don't see anything wrong with it.

I also see nothing wrong with what they're doing. Offering a good product at a good price, regardless of the internal markup, isn't wrong. It's capitalism. The idea won't work if there isn't value for the consumer.

Thank you MatthewClement for your comprehensive explanation which, IMHO, clears the air about this enterprise.

Since I never read the Radisson board and rarely look at S.P.A.M., I wasn't aware of the ValueMags promo until this thread. But after further examination, I'm now a Gold Rewards member, have $200 of new or renewed subscriptions to magazines I already read, took advantage of the ebates discount, and will be able to add 20K+ of AA miles at $0.008 per mile--a pretty good deal all around.

For those of us used to going to great lengths with convoluted schemes for miles and points (the AAdvantage 20/20 promo comes to mind), this particular promo is an easy one to DIY. For the vast majority, though, what these two FTers have set up is the more likely answer, and I kind of admire their enterprise in setting it up...

It's good spirited!

Although I won't be taking this advantage...i wish both of you good luck.

One thing that is overlooked is that by exploiting these kinds of deals you are increasing the likelyhood that Radisson would not offer such deals in the future and/or impose other restrictions like capping the number of points that could be transferred in a year to the airlines. So I think that this hurts us FTers in the long term.

Latin Pass also capped the number of miles that one could transfer to Marriott rewards because there were simply too many Latin Pass million milers.

Matthew,

Just curious, but how would travel be needed to 'coordinate' this effort? That seems to be reaching a bit (not that we don't all need little reason to travel). Seems everything at both ends of this deal is net based.

Have you considered how you will handle your exposure should, for some reason, the points not be delivered by valuemags as promised? Just curious, not being accusatory.

Iam not going to discuss whether this operation is ethical or in good spirit or not. While i do admire the ingenuity of the people who put together this operation, just an observation i wish to make is that Radisson or valuemags possibly intended this promo for individuals and not for businesses to take advantage of. It cannot be conclusively said that either goldpoints or valuemags is making money on this promo. This could well have been intended as a loss leader for them in order to drive traffic to their website. If indeed this is the case, goldpoints could in the future stop offering these great promotions or as PG has pointed out, impose restrictions/caps on them. There are certainly precedents for this kind of thing happening. This could ruin a good shopping portal for all of us FTers in the long run.

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Hello, so you guys are using the knowledge gained here on flyertalk to rip innocent people off instead of teaching them?? How pathetic!!

Randy has chimed in here:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum97/HTML/000626.html

This is no different than the FTers who took advantage of $0 Rates from Hilton or $27 flights to Paris on United.

Do not blame Steve and Matthew for taking advantage of a situation that was presented to them. They are not taking advantage of a MISTAKE, but the rules as set forth by those businesses.

While I would not use the service, I do believe there is a population that would find this very useful because it takes out all the work.

Also, MoreMiles can you edit your post to remove the telephone numbers? Not sure we should be posting personal information like that.

Good luck, Steve and Matthew.... BTW... I can be charitable and accept some magazine subscriptions...

William

Edited to correct MoreMiles name.

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by PG:
[B]One thing that is overlooked is that by exploiting these kinds of deals you are increasing the likelyhood that Radisson would not offer such deals in the future and/or impose other restrictions like capping the number of points that could be transferred in a year to the airlines. So I think that this hurts us FTers in the long term.

PG..........It's possible that these programs are taking advantage of Flyertalk!

Afterall, they are well aware of OUR potential!

Note to Pointsguy. Welcome to flyertalk; and, don't be so fast to judge.

Dan

Wharvey, I think you mean MoreMiles.

So....is anyone going to tell me if this will work for Aeroplan ?

Matthew ???

Check the Radisson site to find out.

hey

yes, it works on AC

but why would you go through them?

just do it yourself and save!