Best card for foreign exchange?
#691
Join Date: Apr 2002
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Originally Posted by wco81
Oh well, on my $600 hotel bill, the Sony Visa tacked on about $18 in additional fees. Probably not worth it but if you have a rewards card, you might as well accumulate those rewards.
#692
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Well, this data point finally got my lazy butt to apply for a Capital One card.. (too bad it's a Visa and not MC).
used Commerce Bank (NJ) ATM card for cash withdrawal in Canada -- got $1.11 CAD per $1 USD.
used Amex for dinner in Canada -- got $1.089 CAD per $1 USD. Not terrible but annoying.
used Commerce Bank (NJ) ATM card for cash withdrawal in Canada -- got $1.11 CAD per $1 USD.
used Amex for dinner in Canada -- got $1.089 CAD per $1 USD. Not terrible but annoying.
#693


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Originally Posted by izzik
Well, this data point finally got my lazy butt to apply for a Capital One card.. (too bad it's a Visa and not MC).
#694
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Schwab MBNA Visa still does not have conversion fee
I bought train tickets on UK GNER site. The conversion rate was 1.82. USD went down another 2% from March when it was 1.78 when I bought tickets on EasyJet site.
I called to enquire if there would be any currency conversion fee after June 1. The rep said for this particular card is still NO, thought the Fidelity version of the MBNA card already charges 3%.
I called to enquire if there would be any currency conversion fee after June 1. The rep said for this particular card is still NO, thought the Fidelity version of the MBNA card already charges 3%.
#695
Join Date: Jun 1999
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Originally Posted by themicah
Why would you prefer MC? I don't think I've ever been anywhere outside the US that accepted MC and not Visa. The only advantage I've ever seen with MC is that for some bizarre reason MC's car rental CDW coverage applies in Israel (and maybe a few other places), where Visa's and Amex's don't apply.
Most ATMs do not accept any foreign cards in Brazil. Only specially marked ATMs will accept the cards advertised. In other places around the world, the situation is the same: ATMs accept only the brand on the stickers. For example, on Easter Island only MC will work in the local ATM; in French Polynesian, only Visa will work at any bank.
Not all countries in the world are like the US, where MC and Visa are virtually equivalent.
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Originally Posted by ajnaro
Not all countries in the world are like the US, where MC and Visa are virtually equivalent.
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Originally Posted by ajnaro
on Easter Island only MC will work in the local ATM; in French Polynesian, only Visa will work at any bank.
Not all countries in the world are like the US, where MC and Visa are virtually equivalent.
Not all countries in the world are like the US, where MC and Visa are virtually equivalent.
I remember at Taihiti, there was only one machine at downtown Pappeete that took my ATM card (I dont remember it is a Visa or a MC) - that was the machine in front of the Marchee - not even the machine of the same bank at the bank's office in town would take my card.
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Originally Posted by themicah
Why would you prefer MC? I don't think I've ever been anywhere outside the US that accepted MC and not Visa. The only advantage I've ever seen with MC is that for some bizarre reason MC's car rental CDW coverage applies in Israel (and maybe a few other places), where Visa's and Amex's don't apply.
#699
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Originally Posted by Happy
Wow, there are even ATMs on Easter Island and you can withdraw funds from your own bank?
I remember at Taihiti, there was only one machine at downtown Pappeete that took my ATM card (I dont remember it is a Visa or a MC) - that was the machine in front of the Marchee - not even the machine of the same bank at the bank's office in town would take my card.
I remember at Taihiti, there was only one machine at downtown Pappeete that took my ATM card (I dont remember it is a Visa or a MC) - that was the machine in front of the Marchee - not even the machine of the same bank at the bank's office in town would take my card.
In French Polynesia there are banks everywhere you look, but they take only Visa/Plus foreign cards or MC/Cirrus ISSUED IN FRANCE; no MC/Cirrus from anywhere else.
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Originally Posted by ajnaro
In French Polynesia there are banks everywhere you look, but they take only Visa/Plus foreign cards or MC/Cirrus ISSUED IN FRANCE; no MC/Cirrus from anywhere else.
#701
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Originally Posted by themicah
I wonder what would happen with my Visa/Cirrus ATM card. Yes, umbrellabank.com actually issues a Visa/Cirrus ATM card. Strange, huh?
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Originally Posted by ajnaro
Your card should work both on Easter Island (Cirrus) and in French Polynesia (Visa). Why not take a trip and find out? (Or I guess I could open an account in umbrellbank)
I used to be a pretty big advocate of umbrellabank. I'm now more lukewarm. Following their acquisition by NewSouth FSB, they no longer have the superb 24hr customer service they once had, which is the biggest downer. And I have some beefs with their technology (particularly the way they do passwords and PIN numbers). But I stay with them because their product otherwise remains decent. They only charge 1% on foreign purchases/ATM withdrawals (better than most, although I have other cards that don't charge anything). ACH transactions are almost always available within 24 hours of transmission. Plus they rebate ATM fees and pay reasonable (but not extraordinary) interest on my checking account balance, along with free billpay and whatnot.
But I digress...
#703
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I am still looking for a bank offering a high-interest e-savings account (such as ING, Citi, HSBC) with an attached ATM card that (1) has a 0% foreign exchange fee, (2) allows withdrawals on the order of USD 2,000 per day, (3) rebates ATM fees in the US.
So far I know about:
ING - no ATM card
Citi - MC/Cirrus ATM card; charges an separate 1% foreign fee (apparently in addition to a hidden 1% built into the exchange rate); does not charge a per use fee for non-Citi ATMs for certain types of accounts; allows withdrawals of USD 1,000 per account per day (multiple accounts allowed, but only two show up on ATMs outside of the US)
HSBC - Cirrus only ATM card (no MC logo; may not work outside of the US); fee of 1% foreign exchange built into exchange rate; limit of USD 1,000 per day for withdrawals; charges USD 1.50 per use fee for non-HSBC ATMs; can be coupled with a no-fee checking account that comes with a MC ATM (I have no personal experience with all of this as I have never actually used the HSBC card)
So far I know about:
ING - no ATM card
Citi - MC/Cirrus ATM card; charges an separate 1% foreign fee (apparently in addition to a hidden 1% built into the exchange rate); does not charge a per use fee for non-Citi ATMs for certain types of accounts; allows withdrawals of USD 1,000 per account per day (multiple accounts allowed, but only two show up on ATMs outside of the US)
HSBC - Cirrus only ATM card (no MC logo; may not work outside of the US); fee of 1% foreign exchange built into exchange rate; limit of USD 1,000 per day for withdrawals; charges USD 1.50 per use fee for non-HSBC ATMs; can be coupled with a no-fee checking account that comes with a MC ATM (I have no personal experience with all of this as I have never actually used the HSBC card)
#704
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Have you looked at joining a credit union?
I don't know if they exist in Brazil, but my local credit union has 0% exchange fee on ATM's, will raise your ATM withdrawl limit, and will rebate the first 5 ATM fees per month charged by the machine owner, and doesn't add any fees to any ATM withdrawls in the US or elsewhere.
I don't know if they exist in Brazil, but my local credit union has 0% exchange fee on ATM's, will raise your ATM withdrawl limit, and will rebate the first 5 ATM fees per month charged by the machine owner, and doesn't add any fees to any ATM withdrawls in the US or elsewhere.
#705


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Originally Posted by ajnaro
I am still looking for a bank offering a high-interest e-savings account (such as ING, Citi, HSBC) with an attached ATM card that (1) has a 0% foreign exchange fee, (2) allows withdrawals on the order of USD 2,000 per day, (3) rebates ATM fees in the US.
I use ING and HSBCDirect in conjunction with Umbrellabank.com. Transfers are quick between ING and umbrella (usually are available at umbrella one business day after being sent by ING). HSBC takes a bit longer to transfer money out and has a crappier website, but offers a higher interest rate than ING. Umbrella builds 1% into the exchange rate for foreign ATM withdrawals and point-of-sale transactions and is limited to $500/day in ATM withdrawals, but does rebate ATM fees. See above for other comments on umbrellabank.
Another option is Bank of Internet (bofi.com). I don't have any direct experience, but have heard good things and am considering switching from umbrellabank to BofI because they offer much higher interest (>3% vs. <2%) and don't charge the 1% forex fee. They also offer ATM fee rebates. But they are still limited to $500/day in ATM withdrawals.

