FlyerTalk Forums

FlyerTalk Forums (https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/index.php)
-   Mileage Run Discussion (https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/mileage-run-discussion-627/)
-   -   Trick it / negotiate it / special savings lounge thread (https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/mileage-run-discussion/930922-trick-negotiate-special-savings-lounge-thread.html)

ag2000 Jan 12, 2015 11:30 pm


Originally Posted by Epicura (Post 24153222)
198 euro AI.

Quickies possible. No issues with camels, elephants or horses, unless you would find perhaps some in the hot pot.

Even less to PEK. € 183,78 AI

31570324 Jan 13, 2015 12:10 am


Originally Posted by ag2000 (Post 24155319)
Even less to PEK. € 183,78 AI

I can get it for 151.77€ if I pay in a different currency and 169€ if I pay in Euro with 1x.

ag2000 Jan 13, 2015 1:16 am


Originally Posted by 31570324 (Post 24155418)
I can get it for 151.77€ if I pay in a different currency and 169€ if I pay in Euro with 1x.

Good job, but 1x is not needed in my case.

Epicura Jan 13, 2015 1:32 am


Originally Posted by ag2000 (Post 24155595)
Good job, but 1x is not needed in my case.

Just to make sure: mine to HKG is mainly on an A380. Are we talking about the same? Perhaps we are but is your point of departure more south.

Alex100i Jan 13, 2015 3:15 am


Originally Posted by Epicura (Post 24155628)
Just to make sure: mine to HKG is mainly on an A380. Are we talking about the same? Perhaps we are but is your point of departure more south.

Interesting: the only C2 departures to HKG with the A380 are BA and AF..
No 1x possible to get 151.77 EUR All-in? I'll search again..@:-)

31570324 Jan 13, 2015 3:47 am


Originally Posted by Alex100i (Post 24155880)
No 1x possible to get 151.77 EUR All-in?

151.77€ was to PEK, not HKG.

anandrag Jan 13, 2015 4:35 am


Originally Posted by ag2000 (Post 24155595)
Good job, but 1x is not needed in my case.

So Just a 3x?

Epicura Jan 13, 2015 5:13 am


Originally Posted by Alex100i (Post 24155880)
Interesting: the only C2 departures to HKG with the A380 are BA and AF..

Interesting: what about ME carriers in general?

brumbrum Jan 13, 2015 8:04 am


Originally Posted by Epicura (Post 24156152)
Interesting: what about ME carriers in general?

these were the first on my mind (if you donīt mean Montenegro by ME :-) )

Culture Guru Jan 13, 2015 8:15 am

A quick question to the experts

I am planning to fly from USA to Asia, and am wondering whether AA fares such as these can be dumped, either by a 3x or a 1x in Europe (as I will be going to the USA from Europe). I checked the fare rules, and most of the AA fares (even those including codeshare with JAL) allow end-on-end combinations.

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/milea...-4-46-cpm.html

I appreciate if you could let me know if AA fares in general from USA to Asia can be dumped. If yes, then I will continue further exploration.

I see there are many cheaper/convenient options with JAL, but I would like 100% EQM, hence I prefer to fly with AA (+ AA codeshares).

Thanks in advance

Deltahater Jan 13, 2015 8:32 am


Originally Posted by Alex100i (Post 24155880)
Interesting: the only C2 departures to HKG with the A380 are BA and AF..
No 1x possible to get 151.77 EUR All-in? I'll search again..@:-)

Let's make this a mental exercise for all. Paying attention to detail is critical here at this game.
@alex100i made a flawed assumption here.

What was it?

This is not to bash Alex100i, but to highlight how one LITTLE assumption can lead to complete misssion failure. With the information he is working on he will never find the deal.

liber Jan 13, 2015 9:14 am


Originally Posted by Deltahater (Post 24157116)
Let's make this a mental exercise for all. Paying attention to detail is critical here at this game.
@alex100i made a flawed assumption here.

What was it?

This is not to bash Alex100i, but to highlight how one LITTLE assumption can lead to complete misssion failure. With the information he is working on he will never find the deal.

He assumed the flight was non-stop...

Deltahater Jan 13, 2015 10:14 am


Originally Posted by liber (Post 24157331)
He assumed the flight was non-stop...

you got it.

While an understandable assumption, the Op did not mention non-stop, just A380.

As a result, Alex100i would have searched for hours or days to get a deal on BA or AF and it would have been a thankless endeavour.

Epicura gave a blatant hint which clears up the routing as well as limits the carriers to three.

Calgary88 Jan 13, 2015 11:53 am

Oh Boys, you guys made me feel dizzy.......camels, elephants, horses, hotpot, stop, non-stop, ME, Montenegro, +/- 4 days., add, subtract, OZ 40K.......!!~~ :)

brumbrum Jan 13, 2015 11:59 am


Originally Posted by Deltahater (Post 24157679)
you got it.

While an understandable assumption, the Op did not mention non-stop, just A380.

As a result, Alex100i would have searched for hours or days to get a deal on BA or AF and it would have been a thankless endeavour.

Epicura gave a blatant hint which clears up the routing as well as limits the carriers to three.

thereīs only one such carrier curently. Maybe they relaxed fare rules as they were, or itīs the only forgotten departure point in the land of her wine:-)

brumbrum Jan 13, 2015 12:02 pm


Originally Posted by Calgary88 (Post 24158356)
Oh Boys, you guys made me feel dizzy.......camels, elephants, horses, hotpot, stop, non-stop, ME, Montenegro, +/- 4 days., add, subtract, OZ 40K.......!!~~ :)

you donīt need to feel dizzy about OZ, itīs probably on very obscure south-european server, bought with the special card and even so itīs unbookable in 99% of cases. No practical use of it. And Montenegro airlines donīt fly to C3 :-)

Epicura Jan 13, 2015 1:25 pm

Dear boys,
 
Just a few thoughts, instead of commenting quote by quote.

First things first; yes, I'm having a Chateau Gree Laroque 2010, which is a Bordeaux I can highly recommend, but there is no relation between this particular dump and my wine. Some people tend to hide their inability to find a dump beneath my alcohol consumption.

As DH already mentioned, Alex100i made a few assumptions, and thereby risking to exclude certain options. He indeed easily assumed that the dump could only involve 2 EU carriers, altough there are much more options to get from C2 to HKG, mainly on an A380. It was for this very reason that I replied about the ME carriers in general.

Alex100i also assumed that the HKG deal was the same deal as the PEK deal. Altough there was no response on the board, I'm pretty sure that we are talking about a different deal. I did find that other deal yesterday evening, on a different carrier with destinations such as HKG and PEK, for 174 euro but could not replicate it today. Furthermore, that particular deal does not depart from my doorstep.

As DH clearly pointed out: do not make hasty and easy assumptions. Neither be distracted by the destination ;).

Camels, horses, elephants: all related to prior posts. They should only tell you something about where not to look.

And now let's head to HKG. Do they have good hair dressers over there?

pimpcoltd Jan 13, 2015 3:10 pm


Originally Posted by Epicura (Post 24160108)
I did find that other deal yesterday evening, on a different carrier with destinations such as HKG and PEK, for 174 euro but could not replicate it today.

Six days. 139 for PEK with 1.1x.

trapped Jan 13, 2015 3:39 pm


Originally Posted by sleeplessinNL (Post 24157012)
A quick question to the experts

I am planning to fly from USA to Asia, and am wondering whether AA fares such as these can be dumped, either by a 3x or a 1x in Europe (as I will be going to the USA from Europe). I checked the fare rules, and most of the AA fares (even those including codeshare with JAL) allow end-on-end combinations.

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/milea...-4-46-cpm.html

I appreciate if you could let me know if AA fares in general from USA to Asia can be dumped. If yes, then I will continue further exploration.

I see there are many cheaper/convenient options with JAL, but I would like 100% EQM, hence I prefer to fly with AA (+ AA codeshares).

Thanks in advance

From my experience I've been able to cut that airline's YQ down about 75% using a simple 3x. But the higher base fares have always been my issue. Usually when I price an AA US to Asia on ITA w/ 3x it ends up dropping *A lower than AA... I have yet to find a 3x that drops 100% for OW, but I'm sure someone reading this has or maybe its a 1x that I need?

ergoen Jan 13, 2015 4:06 pm

Hi all!

I am fairly new to this forum (been around for a short while but just registered). I have browsed through a not insignicant part of this thread and have started to understand some things.

I have managed to find (and also find a place to book!) the AB JFK-WAW fare with the $4 3x, I have a question though:
I have taken a look at the fare spec of the 3x to try to understand why this trick works, but nothing obvious jumped at me, could someone give me a hint on what to look for? (I would like to understand why it works with the specific AB flights it does work for..)

Epicura Jan 13, 2015 4:37 pm


Originally Posted by ergoen (Post 24161224)
Hi all!

I am fairly new to this forum (been around for a short while but just registered). I have browsed through a not insignicant part of this thread and have started to understand some things.

I have managed to find (and also find a place to book!) the AB JFK-WAW fare with the $4 3x, I have a question though:
I have taken a look at the fare spec of the 3x to try to understand why this trick works, but nothing obvious jumped at me, could someone give me a hint on what to look for? (I would like to understand why it works with the specific AB flights it does work for..)

Welcome to FT.

Have a look at the fare rules for the RT (combinality, ...). And sometimes a dump is just a matter of a very "friendly" OTA.

waschmaschine Jan 13, 2015 4:51 pm


Originally Posted by tfc3rid (Post 24145791)
Yes, a $4 3X... Think outside the alliances. I get $488 on that NYC-WAW with the 3X.

Is it possible to cut 100%? I am also only seeing 488 but would love to remove the remaining ~260.

ag2000 Jan 13, 2015 6:25 pm


Originally Posted by Epicura (Post 24155628)
Just to make sure: mine to HKG is mainly on an A380. Are we talking about the same? Perhaps we are but is your point of departure more south.

Different deal, not with your airline, no 380s involved. :) Departure point is in fact more south.

tonghua88 Jan 13, 2015 9:08 pm

Still working on the C2-HKG. I thought I'd narrowed down the departure for the A380 to four cities, and the arrival to one. I also thought I had the airline correct, but every time I plug it in, I get BFs that are higher than the AI...

EDIT: Maybe a RT search is the way to go before I continue building?

nwa330 Jan 13, 2015 11:26 pm

Horse, sand, 380's. I got an Idea but I find it better not to watch and read much into this. I just roll solo finding my own deals. IAH(home base, no 1x's to screw with)-SIN $430. For those that can do more, great. I'm happy with this. Now I need to decide if I head to Bali or Phuket for my beach vacation. If I can OJ that out of HKG then even better. If not, I may just use that as a one way and book J class points home. Going back to dumping.

31570324 Jan 13, 2015 11:54 pm


Originally Posted by pimpcoltd (Post 24160887)
Six days. 139 for PEK with 1.1x.

What is a 1.1x? 1x in C1?

pimpcoltd Jan 14, 2015 12:47 am


Originally Posted by 31570324 (Post 24163328)
What is a 1.1x? 1x in C1?

A little more than a 1x. 129 for your location.

31570324 Jan 14, 2015 1:16 am


Originally Posted by pimpcoltd (Post 24163471)
A little more than a 1x.

You mean 1x and special OTA?

pimpcoltd Jan 14, 2015 1:40 am


Originally Posted by 31570324 (Post 24163546)
You mean 1x and special OTA?

I mean what I said. :) But indeed: the 1.1x only works with a certain ...uhm... family.

31570324 Jan 14, 2015 1:44 am


Originally Posted by pimpcoltd (Post 24163603)
I mean what I said

Uff

waschmaschine Jan 14, 2015 2:01 am


Originally Posted by pimpcoltd (Post 24163603)
I mean what I said. :) But indeed: the 1.1x only works with a certain ...uhm... family.

Well I don't grasp that. But at least the airlines won't understand either ;)

pimpcoltd Jan 14, 2015 2:02 am


Originally Posted by 31570324 (Post 24163612)
Uff

If I were to pull a joke on you for not reading what I almost explicitly wrote, I'd say: the trick might utter similar sounds. :p

waschmaschine Jan 14, 2015 2:07 am


Originally Posted by pimpcoltd (Post 24163659)
If I were to pull a joke on you for not reading what I almost explicitly wrote, I'd say: the trick might utter similar sounds. :p

Ah, maybe my first thought was not too bad. Will PM you to check if I got it now :)
Thx

RNK Jan 14, 2015 3:27 am


Originally Posted by hellosweets (Post 24147279)
With proper amount of time (+-4days) and as much as 136 eur one can get OZ diamond status and 40k miles. This offer shows up randomly few times in a year requires good combination of OTA and airlines.
Everything needed to decode this post comes with this post.


Originally Posted by hellosweets (Post 23951092)
Hi,
I'm going for *G this year with Asiana club, and I will be lacking 4k miles in May. Do you know of any route ex Europe, that is fast earner and doesn't go to Africa ?

Consistency?

nomii Jan 14, 2015 3:42 am

So I found a tricked fare which is showing up on ita.matrix and showing up on google.com/flights. The flights are Delta/KLM/AirFrance mostly if it matters, and the 4-segment (each segment having zero or one connection) includes me hopping from C1 to C2 to MidEast to C1 etc.

But I can't seem to book it on any of the main OTAs (kayak, priceline, expedia, vayama, momondo, orbitz), and not on the main airlines either.

Can someone please suggest to me some other OTAs I can try, I'll be much appreciative.

Thanks!

WolfvanWeen Jan 14, 2015 3:52 am


Originally Posted by RNK (Post 24163874)
Consistency?

Logically these two remarks don't contradict each other at all. 40k could be to Africa. Or not from C2. Or after May. Or he doesn't have the +-4 days time available.
Just saying...

hellosweets Jan 14, 2015 4:18 am


Originally Posted by RNK (Post 24163874)
Consistency?

  1. Account for time distance between 2 posts.
  2. I was lacking 4k cause i had 2 flights for FEB and MAY planned with UA 1st 16k miles 2nd 20k miles.
  3. At the moment of the first post I didn't know the trick, or rather I assumed it won't work.
  4. I tested it during Christmas.
  5. Because I can do 24k miles the way described in the trick thread I will be *G before May trip (if my other half don't get mad at me) leaving me with 60k OZ miles
  6. Last. If you assume a person cannot learn or find organic deal within a month, then I'm really sorry for you, cause you must measure me by your own measure

brumbrum Jan 14, 2015 6:50 am


Originally Posted by WolfvanWeen (Post 24163927)
Logically these two remarks don't contradict each other at all. 40k could be to Africa. Or not from C2. Or after May. Or he doesn't have the +-4 days time available.
Just saying...

40k are in C2 on A3 IMO.

brumbrum Jan 14, 2015 6:54 am


Originally Posted by noamaan (Post 24163908)
So I found a tricked fare which is showing up on ita.matrix and showing up on google.com/flights. The flights are Delta/KLM/AirFrance mostly if it matters, and the 4-segment (each segment having zero or one connection) includes me hopping from C1 to C2 to MidEast to C1 etc.

But I can't seem to book it on any of the main OTAs (kayak, priceline, expedia, vayama, momondo, orbitz), and not on the main airlines either.

Can someone please suggest to me some other OTAs I can try, I'll be much appreciative.

Thanks!

hipmunk, flugladen...

waschmaschine Jan 14, 2015 8:20 am

AB to KEF
 
Does anyone see a chance to reduce the YQ on the AB $4.50 BF on FRA-KEF with a 3x?

Thanks for any hints.


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 3:15 pm.


This site is owned, operated, and maintained by MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Designated trademarks are the property of their respective owners.