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Old Feb 11, 2015, 11:49 am
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DOT Investigation UpdatesNews Media Updates:

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According to USA Today, Ben Mutzabaugh:
United is voiding the bookings of several thousand individuals who were attempting to take advantage of an error a third-party software provider made when it applied an incorrect currency exchange rate, despite United having properly filed its fares. Most of these bookings were for travel originating in the United Kingdom, and the level of bookings made with Danish Kroner as the local currency was significantly higher than normal during the limited period that customers made these bookings.
Note that United has also accidentally cancelled "legitimate" tickets paid for in USD, purchased in USD from LHR... Please check your other tickets if purchased today to ensure they were not unilaterally cancelled.

However, there is no chance at all that you can have your tickets re-instated if you complain to DOT on the basis of DOT rule § 399.88:
§ 399.88 Prohibition on post-purchase price increase.

(a) It is an unfair and deceptive practice within the meaning of 49 U.S.C. 41712 for any seller of scheduled air transportation within, to or from the United States, or of a tour (i.e., a combination of air transportation and ground or cruise accommodations), or tour component (e.g., a hotel stay) that includes scheduled air transportation within, to or from the United States, to increase the price of that air transportation, tour or tour component to a consumer, including but not limited to an increase in the price of the seat, an increase in the price for the carriage of passenger baggage, or an increase in an applicable fuel surcharge, after the air transportation has been purchased by the consumer, except in the case of an increase in a government-imposed tax or fee. A purchase is deemed to have occurred when the full amount agreed upon has been paid by the consumer.
Form for filing DOT complaint. File complaint as soon as your ticket is cancelled.

Link to PDF of enforcement bodies for European customers affected. File complaint as soon as your ticket is cancelled.


Tips for DOT Complaint:
  • File on DOT for every ticket number affected.
  • If you have one reservation with four people traveling (four tickets) file 4 DOT complaints, one per ticket.
  • If you have separate reservations, file a DOT complaint for each.
  • The DOT complaint website may take several minutes to load, depending on demand.
  • When you go to upload a file, be careful as it will reset all your radio buttons. So, if you want a copy of the complaint, make sure you double check that "Yes" is still selected before submitting, especially if you upload a file.

Template For Complaint:
United has unilaterally cancelled my ticket without my consent.

Facts:
1. The ticket was ticketed (had a ticket number).
2. I received a confirmation number, ticket number, and emails stating both
3. The ticket was paid for and my credit card charged.

United must reinstate the ticket within its original cabin. This trip is for travel TO the United States.

At no time during the booking process was any other fare than the Danish Krone equivalent displayed. As a reasonable, prudent consumer, I believed I was paying the price displayed to me on the website. United never sent or displayed the equivalent fare in any other currency.

Trip Details
Ticket #: 016XXXXXXXXXX
PNR: XXXXXX
Routing: LHR-EWR-LAX-HNL

Attachments: Attached is a document showing the ticket, routing, and providing proof that the reservation was ticketed.

Filename: Cancelled - UA Reservation - LHR-EWR-LAX-HNL - XXXXXX - 016XXXXXXXXXX.pdf

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| Relevant Law |
| http://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/14/399.88 |
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§ 399.88 Prohibition on post-purchase price increase.

(a) It is an unfair and deceptive practice within the meaning of 49 U.S.C. 41712 for any seller of scheduled air transportation within, to or from the United States, or of a tour (i.e., a combination of air transportation and ground or cruise accommodations), or tour component (e.g., a hotel stay) that includes scheduled air transportation within, to or from the United States, to increase the price of that air transportation, tour or tour component to a consumer, including but not limited to an increase in the price of the seat, an increase in the price for the carriage of passenger baggage, or an increase in an applicable fuel surcharge, after the air transportation has been purchased by the consumer, except in the case of an increase in a government-imposed tax or fee. A purchase is deemed to have occurred when the full amount agreed upon has been paid by the consumer.

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| Relevant FAQ |
| http://airconsumer.ost.dot.gov/rules/EAPP_2_FAQ.pdf |
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Does the prohibition on post-purchase price increases in section 399.88(a) apply in the situation where a carrier mistakenly offers an airfare due to a computer problem or human error and a consumer purchases the ticket at that fare before the carrier is able to fix the mistake?

Section 399.88(a) states that it is an unfair and deceptive practice for any seller of scheduled air transportation within, to, or from the United States, or of a tour or tour component that includes scheduled air transportation within, to, or from the United States, to increase the price of that air transportation to a consumer after the air transportation has been purchased by the consumer, except in the case of a government-imposed tax or fee and only if the passenger is advised of a possible increase before purchasing a ticket. A purchase occurs when the full amount agreed upon has been paid by the consumer. Therefore, if a consumer purchases a fare and that consumer receives confirmation (such as a confirmation email and/or the purchase appears on their credit card statement or online account summary) of their purchase, then the seller of air transportation cannot increase the price of that air transportation to that consumer, even when the fare is a “mistake.”
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Tips for retrieving your ticket number:
  1. paste(right click copy link location first) following link into your web browser
  2. change XXXXXX next to COPNR= for your reservation number and LASTNAME next to LN= for you SURNAME
  3. go to the webpage address you have just created

https://www.united.com/web/en-US/app...NRCD=2/11/2015


Originally Posted by MatthewLAX
Originally Posted by MatthewLAX View Post
R E L A X

Breathe deep.

Congrats on all who got in.

Now comes the fun part.

1. Discovery - mistake fare is posted on FT. Novices frantically checks how much vacation time they have and if the dates of availability mesh with their schedules. Experienced FTers just book it and worry about contacting spouses or their boss later. Word spreads like wildfire.

2. Excitement - Tickets purchased, confirmation emails received and dates of travel shared with other FTers. Discussions of what to see and do and where to stay crop up in other threads. Novices contact source to change seats or inquire about upgrades, Seasoned FTers sit back and enjoy reading the discussion threads.

3. Stress Stage 1 - Concern over paper ticket delivery - Novices Frantically check otheFedEx website every few hours, constant monitoring of driveway for FedEx truck. Seasoned FT veterans sit back and relax.

4. Glee and happiness - Paper tickets in hand, vacation request submitted, spouses finally informed, hotel reservations made and bragging to friends and co-workers begins. Both novices and experts get very excited.

5. Stress Stage 2 - Rumors of fare not being honored, discussion threads about the airline and ticketing agency ensue. Rumors crop up like crabgrass at this stage. Many FTers begin to worry excessively about whether or not the trip will happen. Novices make non-refundable and financial committments to their trip. Seasoned FTers make mixed drinks (and maybe a sandwich) and is patient.

6. Reality Check - Accurate information is obtained - usually takes place a week to 10 days after mistake fare is published. Confirmed information from the source as to whether or not tickets will be honored.

7a. Pure Joy (Icelandair style- Fare is Honored) - Lots of happy people, FT threads on shared information regarding hotels, restaurants, tours, etc. Jealousy from others sets in. First "FT guinea pigs" embark, post confirmation threads that all is ok.


7b Hostile Feelings (Copa Airlines Style - fare is not honored) - Many angry and disappointed FTers. Refunds are issued. Novices have multiple discussion threads of lawsuits and hostile correspondence, FT pros mutter "c'est la vie" and look for the next fare mistake.

8a Success (Honored) - Trip Report thread becomes very active


Freedom of Information Act Request
File #2015-147, Office of the Secretary of Transportation - Receipt acknowledged 3/13/15

http://www.dot.gov/individuals/foia/office-secretary-foia-information

Relevant excerpt from my request on 2/24/15. There no need for multiple requests for the same thing, though feel free to request more or different information obviously. I'll post any updates as I get them.

"Under the Freedom of Information Act, 5 U.S. C. subsection 552, I am requesting access to any and all records of correspondence, including electronic, between anyone working for, or on the behalf of, United Airlines and its subsidiaries, and with anyone working for, or on the behalf of, the Department of Transportation; specifically this would include only the date range beginning on February 11th, 2015 through and including February 24th, 2015.

In addition, I am requesting access to any and all internal records and correspondence in relation to coming to the decision made on February 23rd, 2015 regarding the Office of Aviation Enforcement and Proceedings Determination Regarding United Airlines Mistaken Fare, with the exception of any of the consumer submitted complaints via phone, email, website, or letter. Specifically, this would be any records beginning on February 11th, 2015 through and including February 24th, 2015."
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Old Feb 15, 2015, 8:27 am
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has ANYONE seen their credit card pending charges fall off yet ?
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Old Feb 15, 2015, 8:31 am
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Originally Posted by Deltahater
This tells me that there are ways to stop the glitch from leading to tickets being issued. It also tells me that UA either decided to not put in the safeguards or they forgot.
When you make bad decisions, there should be consequences.
Why should UA, who has a loooong history of bad IT, not finally be held responsible for their failures? Unless UA experiences a substantial financial hit, they will never wake up and build a reliable, dependable website that provides true, accurate travel information.
Any UA reps supposedly following this thread should agree with this point. Put some measures in place. Then you will be protected from the public when future discrepancies happen.
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Old Feb 15, 2015, 8:32 am
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Originally Posted by JohnnyColombia
Whenever a postal or zip code is a mandatory field I just make one up. I also make lots of purchases on US and UK sites where it is not possible to change the country.
And sometimes you are forced to enter a US state.
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Old Feb 15, 2015, 8:48 am
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For charge approval, American Express supervisor stated that they first look at high risk measurements such as whether it is a high risk merchant, locale, amount, etc. Then Amex requires name, expiration date, card number and security code. Address, zip code and billing country is not considered for charge approval.
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Old Feb 15, 2015, 8:57 am
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Originally Posted by Deltahater
But please address this point:

ITA and several airlines had the same "glitch". Other airlines had safeguards in place to prevent tickets from being issued. UA did not.
This tells me that there are ways to stop the glitch from leading to tickets being issued. It also tells me that UA either decided to not put in the safeguards or they forgot.
When you make bad decisions, there should be consequences.
Why should UA, who has a loooong history of bad IT, not finally be held responsible for their failures? Unless UA experiences a substantial financial hit, they will never wake up and build a reliable, dependable website that provides true, accurate travel information.
I agree with you here, but I did purchase a ticket so my thoughts are biased.

but is it right to exploit and abuse these weaknesses? and what would be considered fair? booking one flight for yourself vs a flight once a month? or booking a flight for everyone in your network of friends and family? i believe honoring a single passenger itinerary or maybe a family would be fair and just. but i think many people may have abused this and got too greedy so it would be hard for a company to distinguish which ones will be fairly honored or not
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Old Feb 15, 2015, 9:37 am
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Hard to believe all these stooges sticking up for UA. Every business that offers services for money understands that they need to be professional to make a profit or else suffer the consequences. To guard against consequences you seek to limit via contract terms or insurance; you cannot just turn round and we'll just pretend it never happened.

At the end of the day UA offered tickets for sale, took money, issued tickets. As many have said, if the boot were on the other foot, if I bought a ticket and then decided I wanted to give it back, UA would just tell me to go swivel.

Pay up UA, learn your lesson, fix your slack IT and move on.

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Old Feb 15, 2015, 9:40 am
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Timing seems right for an......

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Old Feb 15, 2015, 9:55 am
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So of those who previously almost never asked for nothing from UA under EC261/2004 when they wreck your schedule or under the Montreal Convention when UA messed up your luggage, will instances like this Great Dane debacle make for your greater willingness to claim from UA that which UA owes? I can see it be a motivating factor that costs UA money.
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htran, I don't disagree. I booked three - all go to see family - with one being a trip I might not have taken but figured why not.

Definitely a murky line between getting a great deal and taking the p----
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Not sure if that was clearly written before, but just to confirm to all the guys with tickets for travel on the next 14 days from the day of purchase: EU261 DOES NOT apply here.

It clearly says:
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2. Paragraph 1 shall apply on the condition that passengers:
(a) have a confirmed reservation on the flight concerned
Last year I had situation where my ticket was cancelled 20h before departure (even ticketed months before). That was done by an OTA with airline approval (FD ticket). I was already after OLCI. Submitted EU261 claim which was rejected, airline quoted the above paragraph. That decision was also confirmed by local enforcement body as well as some aviation lawyer. The only thing I could do was suing the airline or OTA.
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We had a confirmed reservation that was ticketed for flights using these tickets. That the airline did its void status shenanigans within a handful of days or hours of the flight does not void the historical fact that customers had confirmed and ticketed reservations using the Great Dane booking opportunity.
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Old Feb 15, 2015, 10:33 am
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Originally Posted by Miami305
Has anyone else noticed that with all this talk of United, that all of the ads being displayed are for the MP credit card?

If anything, FT is making a killing on ad exposures, and that money is coming from United's advertising budget!
It's a Chase ad. They're paying for the ad.
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Domain Name: THEEXPLORERCARD.COM
Registrant Name: Domain Administrator
Registrant Organization: JPMorgan Chase & Co.
Registrant Street: 201 North Walnut Street, Mail Suite DE1-0175
Registrant City: Wilmington
If people sign up for the card, Chase will purchase the sign-up bonus miles and other earned miles from United.

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Old Feb 15, 2015, 10:34 am
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Originally Posted by sinus
Not sure if that was clearly written before, but just to confirm to all the guys with tickets for travel on the next 14 days from the day of purchase: EU261 DOES NOT apply here.

It clearly says:
Code:
2. Paragraph 1 shall apply on the condition that passengers:
(a) have a confirmed reservation on the flight concerned
Last year I had situation where my ticket was cancelled 20h before departure (even ticketed months before). That was done by an OTA with airline approval (FD ticket). I was already after OLCI. Submitted EU261 claim which was rejected, airline quoted the above paragraph. That decision was also confirmed by local enforcement body as well as some aviation lawyer. The only thing I could do was suing the airline or OTA.
and what were the "official" reasons for which OTA (an airline) cancelled your tkt?
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Old Feb 15, 2015, 10:37 am
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The ticket status of ticket numbers issued under the Great Dane opportunity show the ticket status as "paid" even now. It's the individual coupon status which shows as "void" for the "paid" Great Dane tickets. This has remained the case even for all those who have so far been denied boarding when at check-in at LHR for these flights whose bookings were confirmed by the operating carrier and ticketed by UA in exchange for payment accepted by UA at the time to the purchase transaction.
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Old Feb 15, 2015, 10:40 am
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Originally Posted by sinus
Not sure if that was clearly written before, but just to confirm to all the guys with tickets for travel on the next 14 days from the day of purchase: EU261 DOES NOT apply here.

It clearly says:
Code:
2. Paragraph 1 shall apply on the condition that passengers:
(a) have a confirmed reservation on the flight concerned
Last year I had situation where my ticket was cancelled 20h before departure (even ticketed months before). That was done by an OTA with airline approval (FD ticket). I was already after OLCI. Submitted EU261 claim which was rejected, airline quoted the above paragraph. That decision was also confirmed by local enforcement body as well as some aviation lawyer. The only thing I could do was suing the airline or OTA.
Either I don't understand English or I am missing something there.

EU261 applies for flight cancellation within 14 days before departure - if your ticket was cancelled 20h before departure I am pretty sure you would have gotten your compensation paid without any issues.
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