Consolidated "Connections / Connecting between terminals at ORD" thread
Aug 17, 2018, 12:39 am
#1096
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I will echo this. It is very important to implement a true PreCheck line at ORD T5. It is reducing Chicago's business competitiveness compared to other U.S. cities that do have true PreCheck for international carriers (e.g. Seattle, San Francisco, Detroit, MSP).
Please can you get the TSA to implement this.
Please can you get the TSA to implement this.
Are you suggesting that someone that would otherwise go to Chicago is going to a different city? 99.99% of people don't decide their destinations based on the airport.
Connecting traffic wouldn't have to deal with T5 security either since there is an airside bus connection.
They should do it because it will make the airport a better experience, but this is way down on the list of things that would actually influence if someone uses ORD.
Aug 17, 2018, 4:55 am
#1097
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Are you suggesting that someone that would otherwise go to Chicago is going to a different city? 99.99% of people don't decide their destinations based on the airport.
Connecting traffic wouldn't have to deal with T5 security either since there is an airside bus connection.
They should do it because it will make the airport a better experience, but this is way down on the list of things that would actually influence if someone uses ORD.
Connecting traffic wouldn't have to deal with T5 security either since there is an airside bus connection.
They should do it because it will make the airport a better experience, but this is way down on the list of things that would actually influence if someone uses ORD.
And from my personal experience I did not find the bus all that useful (as it does not operate at its published times). So until ORD gets its act together, I would not recommend doing a domestic-international connection at ORD (where you depart from T5) over other airports where the terminals that are connected air-side,
Aug 17, 2018, 6:36 am
#1098
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I think the airlines need to step up and apply what pressure they can on this. I am sure the IT changes needed to interface with the government for the KTN weren't free. And it has affected my choice of airlines when departing from ORD. I would take LH over other European carriers is the price and travel times are similar. Simpy because of Precheck,
And from my personal experience I did not find the bus all that useful (as it does not operate at its published times). So until ORD gets its act together, I would not recommend doing a domestic-international connection at ORD (where you depart from T5) over other airports where the terminals that are connected air-side,
And from my personal experience I did not find the bus all that useful (as it does not operate at its published times). So until ORD gets its act together, I would not recommend doing a domestic-international connection at ORD (where you depart from T5) over other airports where the terminals that are connected air-side,
@ords -- how late is the bus running these days?
Aug 17, 2018, 7:20 am
#1099
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Whether the T3-->T5 bus runs to 8 PM or the listed 8:30 PM is meaningless for as many as 95% of connecting passengers.
@ords -- how late is the bus running these days?
@ords -- how late is the bus running these days?
I will echo this. It is very important to implement a true PreCheck line at ORD T5. It is reducing Chicago's business competitiveness compared to other U.S. cities that do have true PreCheck for international carriers (e.g. Seattle, San Francisco, Detroit, MSP).
Please can you get the TSA to implement this.
Please can you get the TSA to implement this.
Unofficially, there are plans already in the works to add a another smaller checkpoint. The discussion is whether to make it fully PreCheck or convert one of the lines in main checkpoint area once this is added.
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Aug 17, 2018, 4:07 pm
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Are you suggesting that someone that would otherwise go to Chicago is going to a different city? 99.99% of people don't decide their destinations based on the airport.
Connecting traffic wouldn't have to deal with T5 security either since there is an airside bus connection.
They should do it because it will make the airport a better experience, but this is way down on the list of things that would actually influence if someone uses ORD.
Connecting traffic wouldn't have to deal with T5 security either since there is an airside bus connection.
They should do it because it will make the airport a better experience, but this is way down on the list of things that would actually influence if someone uses ORD.
The airside bus connection doesn’t work well (if at all) for all at all times of day.
Aug 18, 2018, 8:22 am
#1101
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Connections is *not* what LupineChemist was referring to. LupineChemist was refuting Buster CT1K's contention that T5's lack of Pre-check is hurting Chicago's business community. Not ORD connecting traffic (like you and chetzel describe), Chicago. Like LupineChemist, I'm going to disagree with that.
Aug 18, 2018, 8:40 am
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Connections is *not* what LupineChemist was referring to. LupineChemist was refuting Buster CT1K's contention that T5's lack of Pre-check is hurting Chicago's business community. Not ORD connecting traffic (like you and chetzel describe), Chicago. Like LupineChemist, I'm going to disagree with that.
Aug 19, 2018, 4:49 pm
#1103
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The lack of PreCheck at T5 does get some people to avoid flying out of/via Chicago on airlines flying out of T5. That does hurt the Chicago community in a way as supporting the T5 carriers helps foster a better competitive landscape for the Chicago community using the airport.
Aug 20, 2018, 2:10 am
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ORD is soon to become the only US airport with non-stop flights to all inhabited continents/regions of the world. Of course, they are taking liberty by lumping New Zealand with Australia. Are there any examples of airlines that have become discouraged from serving ORD due to the T5 arrangement for TSA screening?
Increased demand, even at the margins, helps make route service and service expansion sustainability more likely.
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Aug 20, 2018, 7:37 am
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The issue is whether passengers to some extent are booking away from ORD because of the hassles of dealing with T5. It’s not mutually exclusive that there can be some route expansion while that booking away occurs too — no less so during times of economic growth over several years and population growth in the markets served by a given airport.
Increased demand, even at the margins, helps make route service and service expansion sustainability more likely.
Aug 20, 2018, 8:34 pm
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I'm surprised IAH or DFW don't have that. IAH also has Australasia with NZ/AKL, DFW has legit Australia with QF/SYD, but neither has a flight to Africa.
Aug 21, 2018, 12:01 pm
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The geography may work, the demand may be there, but the fortress hub nature of those two Texas airports gets in the way. ORD is lucky that both AA and UA are there in major ways.
Aug 21, 2018, 12:33 pm
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Honestly, it depends on how the daily operations are going. The drivers can be held over, but it's the Prospect staff that tends to cut the evening short over on the domestic side, which the 8 PM is coming from and usually is.
It was brought up at a larger airport wide general managers meeting this week. The issue is this, and for those who have traveled through T5 recently knows, it's the size of the checkpoint in its current location. TSA would love to add a specific lane but at the expense of creating longer regular lines they feel the current PreCheck Lite line will suffice. This is why you see it open and closed at times, it's a specific number of passengers daily that triggers it. ( TSA knows the hourly number)
Unofficially, there are plans already in the works to add a another smaller checkpoint. The discussion is whether to make it fully PreCheck or convert one of the lines in main checkpoint area once this is added.
It was brought up at a larger airport wide general managers meeting this week. The issue is this, and for those who have traveled through T5 recently knows, it's the size of the checkpoint in its current location. TSA would love to add a specific lane but at the expense of creating longer regular lines they feel the current PreCheck Lite line will suffice. This is why you see it open and closed at times, it's a specific number of passengers daily that triggers it. ( TSA knows the hourly number)
Unofficially, there are plans already in the works to add a another smaller checkpoint. The discussion is whether to make it fully PreCheck or convert one of the lines in main checkpoint area once this is added.
Aug 21, 2018, 1:38 pm
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Presumably ORD management could get numbers for originating T5 passengers who have Pre-Check and also connecting passengers who could use the air side shuttle as opposed to those who do. They might then be able to work out whether to add Pre-Check, enhance the bus service, or both.
Aug 21, 2018, 1:54 pm
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