2009 Program Changes -- the good, the bad and the ugly
Oct 31, 2008 | 6:17 am
#346
Used to be bulldoggolfer05
Join Date: May 2007
Location: So Paulo, BR/Miami Beach, FL/NYC/DXB
Programs: HGP DMD, HHonors DMD, SPG PLT, MR PLT
Posts: 2,295
Maybe just maybe Marriott saw all the rants about "I didn't get an upgrade to the Presidential Suite so I'm going to hop ship to Starwood" and so they decided to follow suit on Starwood's redemption schedule.
Oct 31, 2008 | 6:48 am
#347
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: NY, NY USA
Programs: Marriott Platinum, Continental Gold, American Airlines Platinum, Hertz Gold
Posts: 22
As my previous posts testify I am really annoyed at these changes as I have a 3 million point balance which will be instantly devalued by 25% to 30%, but you cannot accuse Marriott of disinformation through a medium of a website which has disinformation itself. Your devaluation spreadsheet on the site is very inaccurate.
All the 7 night (and 14) night award comparisons are wrong in that the devaluation figures are far too high.
The category 4 night devaluation for 5 nights is wrong
All your 8 to 13 night devaluation figures are wrong as you have just doubled the 1 to 6 night figures
which underestimates the devaluation. This is only an accurate formula for 7 nights v 14 nights
For example The correct comparison with the current scheme for a 8 night stay is a 7 night plus a 1 night.
You should do a common sense check - the devaluations increase as the nights increase, they don't decrease from 7nights to 8 nights.
Tom
All the 7 night (and 14) night award comparisons are wrong in that the devaluation figures are far too high.
The category 4 night devaluation for 5 nights is wrong
All your 8 to 13 night devaluation figures are wrong as you have just doubled the 1 to 6 night figures
which underestimates the devaluation. This is only an accurate formula for 7 nights v 14 nights For example The correct comparison with the current scheme for a 8 night stay is a 7 night plus a 1 night.
You should do a common sense check - the devaluations increase as the nights increase, they don't decrease from 7nights to 8 nights.
Tom
Thank you for your support!
(Don't you wish that Marriott could have handled things this way?)
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Last edited by makemarriottrewardslisten; Nov 7, 2008 at 1:59 pm
Oct 31, 2008 | 9:18 pm
#348
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Houston
Programs: AA EXP; Hyatt Globalist; Marriott Lifetime Platinum, Hilton Diamond, UA 1.56MM (fmr UA1K)
Posts: 5,774
Talk about extreme devaluation. I'm going to cash in my MR points and call it a day with Marriott.
Pretty bold move they're making in this economy. I wonder if it'll work out for them
Pretty bold move they're making in this economy. I wonder if it'll work out for them
Nov 1, 2008 | 6:49 pm
#349
Join Date: Oct 2008
Programs: Marriott Platinum, United MP Pr Exec
Posts: 26
Cashing MR balance next year
You wont be the only one, and I think MR wants that to happen. They fill rooms next year when travel is expected to be low, and hotel rooms empty, from one side, hence prices next year will be cheap for lack of demand, while at the same time, they lower the overall balance of points MR members spend on a lower value rooms next year (because of low demand). So that is the best MR could do. If member do not cash their points, they will pay more anyway starting Jan 15.
Nov 1, 2008 | 7:09 pm
#350
Join Date: Jan 2005
Programs: UA GOLD MM,WN CP A+list, HH Gold,MR LT Titanium
Posts: 2,184
You wont be the only one, and I think MR wants that to happen. They fill rooms next year when travel is expected to be low, and hotel rooms empty, from one side, hence prices next year will be cheap for lack of demand, while at the same time, they lower the overall balance of points MR members spend on a lower value rooms next year (because of low demand). So that is the best MR could do. If member do not cash their points, they will pay more anyway starting Jan 15.
Nov 2, 2008 | 10:25 pm
#351
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: All over
Programs: Most
Posts: 10,839
Well I already redeemed 3 travel packages this year and will have enough points for one more by January 15th. Then my MR balance should be close to zero.
Nov 3, 2008 | 4:30 am
#352
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Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Potomac Falls, VA
Programs: AA Plat 2MM, MR Gold, Avis Pref
Posts: 41,109
Nov 3, 2008 | 8:24 am
#353
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: LAX,SNA,CLD,SAN
Programs: UA PP/Marriott Platinum Elite/Hyatt Diamond/Avis Preferred/Hertz Presidential
Posts: 602
Nov 3, 2008 | 10:11 am
#354
Join Date: Oct 2008
Programs: Marriott Platinum, United MP Pr Exec
Posts: 26
Replacing MR with Hyatt and *Wood
Bye bye MR and Mr. Marriott...!
TL
Nov 3, 2008 | 11:43 am
#355
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Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Potomac Falls, VA
Programs: AA Plat 2MM, MR Gold, Avis Pref
Posts: 41,109
For me, I will replace MR with Hyatt and *Wood. For the pleausre of me being a Plat in MR, I need spend 75 nights at least. I can have both top tier for the Hyatt and *Wood for the 100 nights or so I spend. Combining two different chains should give me enough coverage hotel wise, and a better flexibility for stays and redemption.
Bye bye MR and Mr. Marriott...!
TL
Bye bye MR and Mr. Marriott...!
TL
Nov 3, 2008 | 12:14 pm
#356
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Pasadena,Ca.,US.
Programs: AA, Delta, United, SPG plat, Hyatt dia
Posts: 7,140
The newer HIE's are just as nice as older FI's.
Also Wyndham is attempting to get back in the game and has grouped several chains together under one rewards program.
MI does not have a lock on affordable limited service lodgings.Hilton Garden Inns are often priced about the same.
Also Wyndham is attempting to get back in the game and has grouped several chains together under one rewards program.
MI does not have a lock on affordable limited service lodgings.Hilton Garden Inns are often priced about the same.
Nov 4, 2008 | 7:43 am
#357
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: LAX,SNA,CLD,SAN
Programs: UA PP/Marriott Platinum Elite/Hyatt Diamond/Avis Preferred/Hertz Presidential
Posts: 602
For me, I will replace MR with Hyatt and *Wood. For the pleausre of me being a Plat in MR, I need spend 75 nights at least. I can have both top tier for the Hyatt and *Wood for the 100 nights or so I spend. Combining two different chains should give me enough coverage hotel wise, and a better flexibility for stays and redemption.
Bye bye MR and Mr. Marriott...!
TL
Bye bye MR and Mr. Marriott...!
TL
Nov 4, 2008 | 9:12 am
#358
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Wyoming
Posts: 31,103
The newer HIE's are just as nice as older FI's.
Also Wyndham is attempting to get back in the game and has grouped several chains together under one rewards program.
MI does not have a lock on affordable limited service lodgings.Hilton Garden Inns are often priced about the same.
Also Wyndham is attempting to get back in the game and has grouped several chains together under one rewards program.
MI does not have a lock on affordable limited service lodgings.Hilton Garden Inns are often priced about the same.
Nov 4, 2008 | 7:59 pm
#359
Original Member
Join Date: May 1998
Location: Tampa, FL
Programs: AAMM & PLT; UA Gold, DL Silver, Marriott LT Titanium Elite, Hilton Diamond, Hertz #1 Gold Club
Posts: 1,592
Not happy with the changes, but will continue with the Marriott. I have tried to change a few times but always came back. It may sound corny, but when I arrive in strange city USA or anywhere else in the world, I feel at "home" with Marriott. My company pays for all my stays, so no $$$ out of my own pocket. I have a timeshare with Marriott, which I enjoy so I am tied to Marriott. Again, not happy with the enhancement, but too darn lazy to investigate another program.
Nov 5, 2008 | 4:54 am
#360
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Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Potomac Falls, VA
Programs: AA Plat 2MM, MR Gold, Avis Pref
Posts: 41,109
I'm stuck with MR because
1. my favorite property is a MR property
2. the FI's continually give me low cost options that I don't get elsewhere
3. they are everywhere
on that note; I do spread the wealth as the moment i hit 75 nights I'm done
SPG gets its 25 stays
Hyatt gets its 25 stays
Radisson gets its 25 nights
even Hilton gets a few select nights on occasion
2. the FI's continually give me low cost options that I don't get elsewhere
3. they are everywhere
on that note; I do spread the wealth as the moment i hit 75 nights I'm done
SPG gets its 25 stays
Hyatt gets its 25 stays
Radisson gets its 25 nights
even Hilton gets a few select nights on occasion