Treated Poorly -- what should i do
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Classic. BTW, I wonder if the 4 pages of post in a day sets some sort of FT record?
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I don't know if any of you guys on here who are not from the UK have heard of a TV show called 'Little Britain' but there is a character on there called Vicky Pollard and she speaks exactly like the OP has posted. I can't read it without hearing her voice.
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ok - I admit I am a little confused here - - - black are segments from the Op's statements; my confusion is in BLUE - [/B]
let me add that ive asked these females to come out before afterwork and theyve gracefully said no....
they said no but you keep asking?????
i didnt make a big deal out of it ..
if you continue to ask does that not MAKE a big deal out of it?
i dont care.. well, if you don't care, why keep asking?
the girl obviously side tracked...
you admit she was "obviously side tracked", but still think you are entitled to the $100?.........under what rationale?
and i told her.. i dont want it if youre going to get in trouble.. shes like its already in the system..
if she can enter it that quickly, she should give up working for Marriott - she must be the fastest keyer known to mankind
im like "uh is that girl gonna get in trouble," hes like "yah".. then i was like "i dont want the money if people are going to get in trouble".. he cuts me off and says thats not the problem
well, if other posters are correct, the problem is NOT that she "forgot" the gift, it is that she agreed to go out with a customer....
....and asks me to sit down.. he started to go on with there are allegations, maybe it was a miscommunication....
seems to me he is giving you the benefit of the doubt as he is using the words allegations and miscommunication?????
he then goes on to patronize me "thanks, we try to take care of our platinum customers...he is patronizing you by thanking you?????
there was some vulgarity, i admit fault
vulgarity, do you think THIS might be why he met with you in a public place and not behind closed doors?????
.....numerous colleagues have seen them come to my room, hand deliver me notes, and even put their arms around me in the lobby... fine.. its flirting no big deal.. no interaction besides the one instance where a note was hand delievered to my room has happened outside of the front desk...
yes, I would think this girl (or girls) ARE in trouble - I have never read the Marriott employee manual, but I would think going to a guests room has to be in the REASON FOR DISMISSAL section! And how do they put their arms around you from behind the front desk????
he is a front desk manager who knew that my "friendliness" was an accusation
HOW does he know that?
i believe he shouldve taken the conversation to an office and not publicized the whole thing in front of the whole hotel
see vulgarity comment above.
the whole hotel staff looks at me like im some kind of pervert now
Perhaps, perhaps not - but this may be from what the GIRL said, not the manager .
,,,while everyone was looking at me knowing what was going on...HOW does everyone know what was going on? Was he speaking loudly? Rudely? Waving his arms around? Perhaps using vulgarity????
ive debated on whether to go to my project manager and let him know what happened so he can pull the 60+ people from there
I AM a project manager, and in this instance, I might pull my business from the property - but there could also be the chance I would pull some people off the business, if you get my drift.
where they make me out to be some perv.. think shell naturally side with her..
ok here's the big question - so there is a woman GM who you think will naturally side with her.......WHY WOULD YOU THINK THAT? I am a woman, and if I found out my female employees were going to rooms, passing notes, etc, I certainly would not blame the man involved for it! Working on your assumption that a woman is always going to side with another woman - well, then the front end manager should have sided with you, should he not? ..........
Grow Up. Lesson Learned. As rahmanbar says, in a business situation it is not only what you DO, but what it appears that you are DOING. There are not 2 sides to the story in a situation such as this - there is only HE said, SHE said. If you think your lobby conversation was embarrassing - imagine how "potential lawsuit" would play. There is no company who wants to be involved in this type of situation - consider that before you report it with the automatic expectation that your project manager will side with you.
They call it work for a reason. Keep it separate from playtime or you will experience these "misunderstandings" often - with possibly more severe repercussions. Who needs it?
let me add that ive asked these females to come out before afterwork and theyve gracefully said no....
they said no but you keep asking?????
i didnt make a big deal out of it ..
if you continue to ask does that not MAKE a big deal out of it?
i dont care.. well, if you don't care, why keep asking?
the girl obviously side tracked...
you admit she was "obviously side tracked", but still think you are entitled to the $100?.........under what rationale?
and i told her.. i dont want it if youre going to get in trouble.. shes like its already in the system..
if she can enter it that quickly, she should give up working for Marriott - she must be the fastest keyer known to mankind
im like "uh is that girl gonna get in trouble," hes like "yah".. then i was like "i dont want the money if people are going to get in trouble".. he cuts me off and says thats not the problem
well, if other posters are correct, the problem is NOT that she "forgot" the gift, it is that she agreed to go out with a customer....
....and asks me to sit down.. he started to go on with there are allegations, maybe it was a miscommunication....
seems to me he is giving you the benefit of the doubt as he is using the words allegations and miscommunication?????
he then goes on to patronize me "thanks, we try to take care of our platinum customers...he is patronizing you by thanking you?????
there was some vulgarity, i admit fault
vulgarity, do you think THIS might be why he met with you in a public place and not behind closed doors?????
.....numerous colleagues have seen them come to my room, hand deliver me notes, and even put their arms around me in the lobby... fine.. its flirting no big deal.. no interaction besides the one instance where a note was hand delievered to my room has happened outside of the front desk...
yes, I would think this girl (or girls) ARE in trouble - I have never read the Marriott employee manual, but I would think going to a guests room has to be in the REASON FOR DISMISSAL section! And how do they put their arms around you from behind the front desk????
he is a front desk manager who knew that my "friendliness" was an accusation
HOW does he know that?
i believe he shouldve taken the conversation to an office and not publicized the whole thing in front of the whole hotel
see vulgarity comment above.
the whole hotel staff looks at me like im some kind of pervert now
Perhaps, perhaps not - but this may be from what the GIRL said, not the manager .
,,,while everyone was looking at me knowing what was going on...HOW does everyone know what was going on? Was he speaking loudly? Rudely? Waving his arms around? Perhaps using vulgarity????
ive debated on whether to go to my project manager and let him know what happened so he can pull the 60+ people from there
I AM a project manager, and in this instance, I might pull my business from the property - but there could also be the chance I would pull some people off the business, if you get my drift.
where they make me out to be some perv.. think shell naturally side with her..
ok here's the big question - so there is a woman GM who you think will naturally side with her.......WHY WOULD YOU THINK THAT? I am a woman, and if I found out my female employees were going to rooms, passing notes, etc, I certainly would not blame the man involved for it! Working on your assumption that a woman is always going to side with another woman - well, then the front end manager should have sided with you, should he not? ..........
Grow Up. Lesson Learned. As rahmanbar says, in a business situation it is not only what you DO, but what it appears that you are DOING. There are not 2 sides to the story in a situation such as this - there is only HE said, SHE said. If you think your lobby conversation was embarrassing - imagine how "potential lawsuit" would play. There is no company who wants to be involved in this type of situation - consider that before you report it with the automatic expectation that your project manager will side with you.
They call it work for a reason. Keep it separate from playtime or you will experience these "misunderstandings" often - with possibly more severe repercussions. Who needs it?
let me add that ive asked these females to come out before afterwork and theyve gracefully said no....
they said no but you keep asking?????
i kept asking ? i asked once.. and the other girl at the desk replied with a yes stating she had to find a baby sitter
i didnt make a big deal out of it ..
if you continue to ask does that not MAKE a big deal out of it?
i didnt make a big deal out of it because i had things to do and i was in a hurry, starting a dialogue there would have prevented me from doing my errands
the girl obviously side tracked...
you admit she was "obviously side tracked", but still think you are entitled to the $100?.........under what rationale?
in hindsight, its simple really, people talk to the front desk personnel at all times while theyre being processed in the system.. obviously me conversing with her had a different effect
....and asks me to sit down.. he started to go on with there are allegations, maybe it was a miscommunication....
seems to me he is giving you the benefit of the doubt as he is using the words allegations and miscommunication?????
if you come at me with allegations and miscommunications, you dont have your whole night staff waiting at the front desk for me while the manager begins to humilate me.. i believe you should take it into an office.. i mean most upper manager in moden day work places have an office dont they ?
he then goes on to patronize me "thanks, we try to take care of our platinum customers...he is patronizing you by thanking you?????
yah by talking to me and sitting me down like a little boy and humilating me.. and then to have the courtesy to thank me for being a plt customer is patronizing me.. may be not to you but it is to me he is a front desk manager who knew that my "friendliness" was an accusation
HOW does he know that?
he knew that because thats what he opened up his dialogue to me with?
there was some vulgarity, i admit fault
vulgarity, do you think THIS might be why he met with you in a public place and not behind closed doors?????
thats a good point and i did ask him that, and he stated that no private rooms were available at the moment
the whole hotel staff looks at me like im some kind of pervert now
Perhaps, perhaps not - but this may be from what the GIRL said, not the manager .
100% agree with you there but i had went out after that conversation with the manager, i came back and i didnt have my key to my room, i went to the front desk and i asked for a key, the gentleman knew who i was exactly, not because of my interactions with him, but because he was present at my berating
ok here's the big question - so there is a woman GM who you think will naturally side with her.......WHY WOULD YOU THINK THAT? I am a woman, and if I found out my female employees were going to rooms, passing notes, etc, I certainly would not blame the man involved for it! Working on your assumption that a woman is always going to side with another woman - well, then the front end manager should have sided with you, should he not? ..........
um you definitely have it out for me or something.. i stated that shed side with her employees not because they are both female but they are both marriott employees..
,,,while everyone was looking at me knowing what was going on...HOW does everyone know what was going on? Was he speaking loudly? Rudely? Waving his arms around? Perhaps using vulgarity????
youre right again, not EVERYONE knew what was going on, but how would you explain the WHOLE NIGHT STAFF waiting at the front desk for me? i am not exaggerating this to any extent.. the customers were just innocent bystanders..
Grow Up. Lesson Learned. As rahmanbar says, in a business situation it is not only what you DO, but what it appears that you are DOING. There are not 2 sides to the story in a situation such as this - there is only HE said, SHE said. If you think your lobby conversation was embarrassing - imagine how "potential lawsuit" would play. There is no company who wants to be involved in this type of situation - consider that before you report it with the automatic expectation that your project manager will side with you.
They call it work for a reason. Keep it separate from playtime or you will experience these "misunderstandings" often - with possibly more severe repercussions. Who needs it?[/QUOTE]
grow up ? i wrote this original post at 3 am in the morning on the night of the incident.. i was mad.. did i admit that i was too friendly yes ? do i support the notion of defending your colleagues? yesexactly where do i have to grow up? i admitted wrong, i dont want points, i got an apology from the manager for being humilated ? i let it die?
so there it is.. i hope i fulfilled your challenge to come out of my cave...
but here is my little addendum.. i did not get a wake up call the following morning after requesting one, are you going to tell me i dont deserve one because i made them uncomfortable? considering how that night went.. i consider it a pattern.. and this notion was dismissed because the manager said no one recorded a log for it and there was no reason for anyone to do that... so am i supposed to just sit here and just be treated poorly ? if they had asked me to leave that night, do you think i wouldnt have? i didnt because it was 10-1030 pm...
irregardless, i did speak to the general manager and she did apologize for the way he handled the situation.. she did admit to me that i did not step over my boundaries as a guest, she acknowledged the fact that i never touched these females, never asked for a phone number, never took the interaction beyond the front desk... so yah.. there goes your rationale for me filing a sexual harrassment suit at me ..
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Can we drop the excessive use of ellipsis, step up the grammar, and use real words? This is a professional based (not to be read as job-related) forum, not Facebook or Myspace, and your posts are entirely too diffiicult to decipher.
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I have no issue with you responding to my post - but if you are going to do so, at least do so with a little accuracy!
Your OP does not require a response, & although some FT'ers wondered why you were not doing so, I was not one of them.
I do not "have it out for you". I stopped "having it out for people" when I was 10.
I cannot count the times I have not received a wake-up call; and that is without a significant disagreement with the front desk. That's why I bring my own alarm.
40+ responses to your post, and the majority thought it showed a high level of immaturity - that's where the "grow up" came in....ummm, repeatedly.
I never challenged you to "come out of your cave" (although I am now thinking what some of the FT'ers are going to say to that one!) Again, please be accurate when you quote or you are going to face a tough time here on FT.
And finally, I never had a rationale about YOU filing a harassment suit against YOU. (!) I did mention the girl doing so - and if you think that all harrassment suits filed are legitimate situations...well- you do need to grow up.
Remember - YOU are the one who titled your post " what should I do". 40+ people gave you their recommendations.....but you are free to do what you want, and certainly "not let it die".
Your OP does not require a response, & although some FT'ers wondered why you were not doing so, I was not one of them.
I do not "have it out for you". I stopped "having it out for people" when I was 10.
I cannot count the times I have not received a wake-up call; and that is without a significant disagreement with the front desk. That's why I bring my own alarm.
40+ responses to your post, and the majority thought it showed a high level of immaturity - that's where the "grow up" came in....ummm, repeatedly.
I never challenged you to "come out of your cave" (although I am now thinking what some of the FT'ers are going to say to that one!) Again, please be accurate when you quote or you are going to face a tough time here on FT.
And finally, I never had a rationale about YOU filing a harassment suit against YOU. (!) I did mention the girl doing so - and if you think that all harrassment suits filed are legitimate situations...well- you do need to grow up.
Remember - YOU are the one who titled your post " what should I do". 40+ people gave you their recommendations.....but you are free to do what you want, and certainly "not let it die".
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And get you Dam##d CAPS key fixed
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There is no such word as irregardless, either.
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"Remember - YOU are the one who titled your post " what should I do". 40+ people gave you their recommendations.....but you are fee to do what you want, and certainly "not let it die".
Here is the thing with"lad"culture-they really cannot see that they have done something that might be seen as wrong.They back each other up till it gets to a standoff between themselves-and then they know no loyalty except to themselves.
To travelingconsultant
Were you a Cad?Perhaps-perhaps not.None of us were there and thus have to base our advice(which you asked for)on our life experiences.
Whatever happned it was enough to get you called on the carpet.If you had been a gentleman this would not have happned.If you cannot see that perhaps you need to start hanging around another circle of friends.
Live and learn-and good luck to you in the future.
Here is the thing with"lad"culture-they really cannot see that they have done something that might be seen as wrong.They back each other up till it gets to a standoff between themselves-and then they know no loyalty except to themselves.
To travelingconsultant
Were you a Cad?Perhaps-perhaps not.None of us were there and thus have to base our advice(which you asked for)on our life experiences.
Whatever happned it was enough to get you called on the carpet.If you had been a gentleman this would not have happned.If you cannot see that perhaps you need to start hanging around another circle of friends.
Live and learn-and good luck to you in the future.
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Sounds like Sophiegirl gave you some very good advice which you, you're self acknowledge 3x over.
I would just take the entire situation as another life lesson learned and move on.
This isn't Dr. Phil.
I would just take the entire situation as another life lesson learned and move on.
This isn't Dr. Phil.
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oh my, lets not blow this out of proportion here.. I wouldn't say good advice as much as he agreed with a couple of statements
and irregardless is used often on FT, I can't count the times I've seen it so now you (not you imverge) are going to pick on him for this????
and irregardless is used often on FT, I can't count the times I've seen it so now you (not you imverge) are going to pick on him for this????
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Amen!
The OP asked for advice and opinions and got them. He had a couple of supporters, but quite a few of us expressed varying levels of disagreement with his point of view. Me among them.
We just lost the famous commentator William F Buckely, who pointed out that it is possible for people to disagree without being disagreeable. That doesn't seem to be happening in this case, and some of the comments are getting away from the type of civil conversations we try to have here.
Personally, I think this discussion has not only degenerated, but its going around in circles. Those of us with the majority view aren't going to convince the others and vice versa. Okay fine. We've had our discussion.
I think its about time for Bruce to close the thread so we can all move on to other things....hopefully as friends.
The OP asked for advice and opinions and got them. He had a couple of supporters, but quite a few of us expressed varying levels of disagreement with his point of view. Me among them.
We just lost the famous commentator William F Buckely, who pointed out that it is possible for people to disagree without being disagreeable. That doesn't seem to be happening in this case, and some of the comments are getting away from the type of civil conversations we try to have here.
Personally, I think this discussion has not only degenerated, but its going around in circles. Those of us with the majority view aren't going to convince the others and vice versa. Okay fine. We've had our discussion.
I think its about time for Bruce to close the thread so we can all move on to other things....hopefully as friends.
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Hi Trojan
Forgive me for not getting back to you earlier. Regarding sexual harassment, laws differ in different states, but a formal complaint is not required, although it is very helpful. As long as management knows about an inappropriate situation and does nothing, that can be the basis for a sexual harassment claim. Also, I don't think we can assume what the girl said to management.
Forgive me for not getting back to you earlier. Regarding sexual harassment, laws differ in different states, but a formal complaint is not required, although it is very helpful. As long as management knows about an inappropriate situation and does nothing, that can be the basis for a sexual harassment claim. Also, I don't think we can assume what the girl said to management.
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Hi Trojan
Forgive me for not getting back to you earlier. Regarding sexual harassment, laws differ in different states, but a formal complaint is not required, although it is very helpful. As long as management knows about an inappropriate situation and does nothing, that can be the basis for a sexual harassment claim. Also, I don't think we can assume what the girl said to management.
Forgive me for not getting back to you earlier. Regarding sexual harassment, laws differ in different states, but a formal complaint is not required, although it is very helpful. As long as management knows about an inappropriate situation and does nothing, that can be the basis for a sexual harassment claim. Also, I don't think we can assume what the girl said to management.
yeah, we can't speculate on anything but going by what the OP states and since thats all I have to go on, I'll do the unthinkable and assume those are the facts. if so, is there a case here?

