Apr 16, 2018, 4:15 pm
Last edit by: dayone
This thread (post #5 from Marriott Rewards Insider) has the official announcement of changes effective later in 2018.
An earlier, speculative discussion appears in the following closed thread: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/marr...tus-tiers.html
An earlier, speculative discussion appears in the following closed thread: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/marr...tus-tiers.html
Official announcement – See how our three loyalty programs will become one in August
Apr 26, 2018, 8:33 pm
#661
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Location: Southern California, USA
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I started as a Sheraton Club International member in the 20th Century and also a member of Westin. My 1000+ nights shown in my SPG account online is only a part of my total nights since 1999 when Starwood was formed to merge Sheraton and Westin. They don't include all the nights I accrued in the many years as elite members of Sheraton and Westin programs.
If I am going to be treated as second tier in the new program, why shouldn't I just use my large number of accumulated points at Marriott/starwood from now on, and focus my revenue stays on Hyatt or Hilton to reach a higher, probably highest tier?
You're welcome to bolt Marriott now for Hyatt, of course. But Hyatt is even riper to be swallowed up by another massive hotel group than Starwood was. You won’t do so well in that lifetime equation if Hyatt is bought up by Hilton or IHG or Accor. Or (gasp) some future Chinese hotel conglomerate.
You’re welcome to bolt Marriott now for Hilton, too. But then you have to stay at Hilton hotels with far fewer perks than you ever enjoyed with SPG.
Apr 26, 2018, 11:13 pm
#662
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: SFO, TPE, HNL
Programs: UA GS 4MM, RCC life member (paid), Marriott Lifetime Titanium, Hyatt Globalist, CLEAR
Posts: 1,824
Your argument here seems to be with Starwood and not Marriott. If you were OK with and hadn’t challenged what Starwood did for you with your previous Sheraton and Westin program nights, then it’s diffiuclt to see how you can blame Marriott much now. If you weren’t OK with it, then staying with Starwood all these years since undermines your attempt below to seek life elsewhere.
You didn’t get the Sheraton and Westin nights you claimed when they became part of SPG...and yet you seemed to stick with SPG. That doesn’t make you look likely to bolt Marriott now.
You're welcome to bolt Marriott now for Hyatt, of course. But Hyatt is even riper to be swallowed up by another massive hotel group than Starwood was. You won’t do so well in that lifetime equation if Hyatt is bought up by Hilton or IHG or Accor. Or (gasp) some future Chinese hotel conglomerate.
You’re welcome to bolt Marriott now for Hilton, too. But then you have to stay at Hilton hotels with far fewer perks than you ever enjoyed with SPG.
I got Sheraton and Westin points combined in 1998 or 1999 when Starwood formed, and I was Gold member in that year because of the prior year Sheraton and Westin points. At that time, there was no lifetime status (for obvious reasons).
After Starwood introduced lifetime status, I qualified without needing any of the old Sheraton and Westin night credits. I just had to wait until I accumulated 10 years of earned platinum status. Which in my case was successive 10 years without any gap being platinum. At the end of 10 years I already have far more than the 500 nights needed without counting pre-1999 nights.
Apr 27, 2018, 4:36 am
#663
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 1,026
Will marriot be implementing "instant rewards"??
Eg redeeming points for credit at resorts etc
Eg redeeming points for credit at resorts etc
Apr 28, 2018, 10:05 am
#664
Join Date: May 2006
Programs: Marriott Titanium, Hilton Diamond, DeltaMM
Posts: 516
In the scheme of things, this isn't a primary focus, but the Platinum-dedicated line for Marriott no longer exists. Any calls there are now routed to the regular line. I was told just now (after holding for 15 minutes) that because of the merger, it will be "at least" five months before there is a dedicated Platinum line in service. FWIW.
Apr 28, 2018, 11:32 am
#665
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Join Date: Apr 2014
Programs: DL Gold, UA nothing (ex-GS), Marriott lifetime Plat, Hyatt Globalist
Posts: 920
In the scheme of things, this isn't a primary focus, but the Platinum-dedicated line for Marriott no longer exists. Any calls there are now routed to the regular line. I was told just now (after holding for 15 minutes) that because of the merger, it will be "at least" five months before there is a dedicated Platinum line in service. FWIW.
Apr 28, 2018, 11:43 am
#666
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Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Southern California, USA
Programs: Marriott Ambassador and LTT, UA Plat/LT Gold, AA Gold
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In the scheme of things, this isn't a primary focus, but the Platinum-dedicated line for Marriott no longer exists. Any calls there are now routed to the regular line. I was told just now (after holding for 15 minutes) that because of the merger, it will be "at least" five months before there is a dedicated Platinum line in service. FWIW.
Apr 28, 2018, 12:43 pm
#667
Join Date: Feb 2017
Programs: LT Marriott Titanium, Hyatt Globalist, Hilton Diamond, IHG Plat, Hertz Prez Circle, United Platinum
Posts: 767
Not correct.
I got Sheraton and Westin points combined in 1998 or 1999 when Starwood formed, and I was Gold member in that year because of the prior year Sheraton and Westin points. At that time, there was no lifetime status (for obvious reasons).
After Starwood introduced lifetime status, I qualified without needing any of the old Sheraton and Westin night credits. I just had to wait until I accumulated 10 years of earned platinum status. Which in my case was successive 10 years without any gap being platinum. At the end of 10 years I already have far more than the 500 nights needed without counting pre-1999 nights.
I got Sheraton and Westin points combined in 1998 or 1999 when Starwood formed, and I was Gold member in that year because of the prior year Sheraton and Westin points. At that time, there was no lifetime status (for obvious reasons).
After Starwood introduced lifetime status, I qualified without needing any of the old Sheraton and Westin night credits. I just had to wait until I accumulated 10 years of earned platinum status. Which in my case was successive 10 years without any gap being platinum. At the end of 10 years I already have far more than the 500 nights needed without counting pre-1999 nights.
How many years of Plat did you have when SPG introduced LT status?
As to your 'second tier' comment in a previous post, why is it that you were fine not even having a shot at LT status until Feb 1, 2012, but now LTPP status is really, REALLY important?
Apr 28, 2018, 1:01 pm
#668
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Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: LGA/JFK/EWR
Programs: UA 1K1.75MM, Hyatt Globalist, abandoned Marriott LTT (RIP SPG), Hertz PC
Posts: 21,172
This is quite the canard you keep repeating to any SPG loyal. Many of us have done hundreds of nights and spent tens if not hundreds of thousands of dollars the past 6 years.
Apr 28, 2018, 1:26 pm
#669
Join Date: Feb 2017
Programs: LT Marriott Titanium, Hyatt Globalist, Hilton Diamond, IHG Plat, Hertz Prez Circle, United Platinum
Posts: 767
Starwood launches 'Richest Elite' traveler benefits
http://www.starwoodhotels.com/Media/...ENTS_HOTEL.pdf
Apr 28, 2018, 1:40 pm
#670
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Not a canard and I don't appreciate you stating that I'm being dishonest about it. It's very simple to look up. https://www.hospitalitynet.org/news/4054678.html
Starwood launches 'Richest Elite' traveler benefits
http://www.starwoodhotels.com/Media/...ENTS_HOTEL.pdf
Starwood launches 'Richest Elite' traveler benefits
http://www.starwoodhotels.com/Media/...ENTS_HOTEL.pdf
Using your our own logic against you, why is it so important for Marriott LTPs get new LTPP, a much better level of benefits than they had before? Especially since the new Plat level basically covers all significant Marriott LTP benefits and is even better in some ways.
Last edited by UA-NYC; Apr 28, 2018 at 1:47 pm
Apr 28, 2018, 6:43 pm
#671
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Join Date: Apr 2014
Programs: DL Gold, UA nothing (ex-GS), Marriott lifetime Plat, Hyatt Globalist
Posts: 920
There was always a decent if not significant chance a LT program would be introduced as they have been in basically every hotel and airline loyalty program. Especially since Starwood long had a “we try harder” mindset with respect to elite benefits, given the smaller footprint and valuable customer base.
Using your our own logic against you, why is it so important for Marriott LTPs get new LTPP, a much better level of benefits than they had before? Especially since the new Plat level basically covers all significant Marriott LTP benefits and is even better in some ways.
Apr 28, 2018, 7:01 pm
#672
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Apr 29, 2018, 12:43 am
#673
Join Date: Apr 2004
Programs: AA plt 2 mm, Marriott LTT, HH dia
Posts: 1,215
So my theory is that many people from SPG want LTPP because it is something the Marriott Rewards people can have that they can't.
I have another question here. If an SPG Gold has been matched to Marriott Gold, and then (for argument's sake) let's say they get moved to Platinum in August. Is that new status valid until February, 2019, or 2020?
Apr 29, 2018, 7:48 am
#674
Join Date: Apr 2013
Posts: 227
If I stay 50 nights combined Starwood and Marriott in calendar year 2018, will that give me platinum50 for the following year, or just gold?
also, will that expire January 31 2020 or February 28 2020?
thank you
also, will that expire January 31 2020 or February 28 2020?
thank you
Apr 29, 2018, 8:00 am
#675
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