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Legacy to New Travel Package Conversion (effective August 2019)
A Marriott supervisor can currently convert your legacy travel package into the new category mapping. If you hold a Category 6, 8, or Tier 1-3 legacy certificate, it's ideal to downgrade your certificate before converting so that points don't potentially get lost in the process.
The codes for the new partial packages are:
New Cat 1-4: QP83
New Cat 5: QP91
New Cat 6: QP99
New Cat 7:
The legacy certificates map to the new certificates as such:
Cat 1-5 => Cat 1-4
Cat 6 => Cat 1-4
Cat 7 => Cat 5
Cat 8 => Cat 5
Cat 9 => Cat 6
Tier 1-3 => Cat 6
Tier 4-5 => Cat 7
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If you are unsure where you will use your 7 night stay, when you request the package, just ask for a category 1-5 hotel. That way you are out of the least number of points. If later, you decide to book for a higher level category, then you can do so and pay the difference the travel package points. If you can't use your certificate within the year, then as close to the one year anniversary (without going over!) call to extend the certificate for one more year. That's as long as they will typically allow, one extension. There is an option to expedite the mileage delivery to within three business days (sometimes faster) for $15. There are reports that this fee may be waived for platinum members.
Effective April 1 2017 re: Southwest & the companion pass:
"Purchased points, points converted from hotel and car loyalty programs, and e-Rewards, e-Miles, Valued Opinions and Diners Club, points earned from Rapid Rewards program enrollment, tier bonuses, flight bonuses, and partner bonuses (excluding points bonuses earned on the Rapid Rewards Credit Cards from Chase) do not count toward Companion Pass."
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Can I book SPG properties with my Marriott Travel Package? As of 9/1/2018 apparently not. see https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/30155836-post6529.html
Legacy to New Travel Package Conversion (effective August 2019)
A Marriott supervisor can currently convert your legacy travel package into the new category mapping. If you hold a Category 6, 8, or Tier 1-3 legacy certificate, it's ideal to downgrade your certificate before converting so that points don't potentially get lost in the process.
The codes for the new partial packages are:
New Cat 1-4: QP83
New Cat 5: QP91
New Cat 6: QP99
New Cat 7:
Originally Posted by Marriott Rewards Insider
Members who purchased a Category 6, Category 8 or Tier 1-3 certificate prior to 8/18 are able to request a one-time exchange for a Travel Package one category lower. This process will cancel your current Travel Package, reissue a Travel Package one category lower and result in a refund of 30,000 points to your account. To submit a request, follow these steps:
Source: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/marr...es-update.html
- Select “Packages - Deals” from the “Topic” drop down menu
- Submit your request
Source: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/marr...es-update.html
The legacy certificates map to the new certificates as such:
Cat 1-5 => Cat 1-4
Cat 6 => Cat 1-4
Cat 7 => Cat 5
Cat 8 => Cat 5
Cat 9 => Cat 6
Tier 1-3 => Cat 6
Tier 4-5 => Cat 7
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If you are unsure where you will use your 7 night stay, when you request the package, just ask for a category 1-5 hotel. That way you are out of the least number of points. If later, you decide to book for a higher level category, then you can do so and pay the difference the travel package points. If you can't use your certificate within the year, then as close to the one year anniversary (without going over!) call to extend the certificate for one more year. That's as long as they will typically allow, one extension. There is an option to expedite the mileage delivery to within three business days (sometimes faster) for $15. There are reports that this fee may be waived for platinum members.
Effective April 1 2017 re: Southwest & the companion pass:
"Purchased points, points converted from hotel and car loyalty programs, and e-Rewards, e-Miles, Valued Opinions and Diners Club, points earned from Rapid Rewards program enrollment, tier bonuses, flight bonuses, and partner bonuses (excluding points bonuses earned on the Rapid Rewards Credit Cards from Chase) do not count toward Companion Pass."
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Can I book SPG properties with my Marriott Travel Package? As of 9/1/2018 apparently not. see https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/30155836-post6529.html
Marriott Travel Packages
Aug 6, 2018, 5:33 am
#4726
Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: PHX, ICN
Programs: OZ Diamond Plus, Marriott Gold
Posts: 502
Aug 6, 2018, 6:14 am
#4728
Join Date: Dec 2017
Posts: 746
Ultimately, once the entitlement to a 1:1 ratio is forgotten, what starts hurting more will be the commitment of at least 180k points to stays to unlock the 1.5:1 transfer ratio for 100k miles. Whereas the old travel packages permitted obtaining 120k air miles for 150k points towards stays, obtaining 120k air miles now requires 216k points towards stays.
Aug 6, 2018, 6:16 am
#4729
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 18
All in here too - 4 TPs!
Cat 9 and Cat 5 purchased last week and Cat 6 and Cat 7 renewals leftover from prior year purchases (SWA companion passe for wife & I).
All are currently unattached. I will gladly take advice on which, if any, I should attach.
Cat 9 and Cat 5 purchased last week and Cat 6 and Cat 7 renewals leftover from prior year purchases (SWA companion passe for wife & I).
All are currently unattached. I will gladly take advice on which, if any, I should attach.
Aug 6, 2018, 8:38 am
#4731
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Austin
Programs: AA Platinum 4MM; Marriott Titanium; Hyatt Globalist
Posts: 324
I booked the first TP of my life on Saturday evening, and my wait to talk with an agent was quite short -- less than one minute. The agent also congratulated me on being "one of the few" who will be grandfathered in to the Platinum Premier status in a few weeks. Experience was fast and easy. Now looking forward to the miles hitting my AA account, to act as a discount on the award tickets we booked to Amsterdam...
--woodstock
--woodstock
Aug 6, 2018, 9:32 am
#4732
Join Date: Jan 2010
Programs: UA, AS
Posts: 2,393
I have one cat 8 attached to a property in Hawaii that is going from old cat 8 to new cat 7 so it will be going up 20k/night. I plan to cancel this reservation post 8/18 and stay at a different new cat 7 property (a Starwood property which will be going down in points post 8/18 to 60k/night so I cannot attach a cert to it now). My guess is the cert will be usable at a new cat 7 post 8/18, either because of the way they decide to map the categories if they go with a category mapping or possibly they refund 60k night when cancelling post 8/18 if they go with a points mapping. There are of course scenarios that do not play out as well but my main bet is that Marriott is going to be generous so at a minimum I expect post 8/18 to have a credit for 7 nights of 40k either in a cert or points and either way I would be OK with that but if they decide to not be so generous as to give a full 60k/night credit then since the categories do not map exactly the closest rounding up to categories would be a 50k/night new cat 6 and my guess is that their generosity would extend that far to prevent complaints so I really cannot envision losing out on this.
I also have a cat 6 floater. Since this does not covert points wise exactly into a new category I am hoping they will either round it up to 7 nights worth of points at a new cat 5 (35k/night) or they will map the category to at least a new cat 5.
For the doomsayers who claim Marriott may give only 15k for a floater cert I say, "no way - not happening." It is not reasonable and they would have a media fiasco and a bunch of lawsuits if they tried it. I am confident that won't happen and I am comfortable keeping one of my certs as a floater. Anyone who believes they might only get 15k for a floater should attach it to a reservation but I am not worried about that. I only attached one of my certs to a property I had no plans of staying at to have a chance at increasing its value above the baseline generosity I am expecting from Marriott.
I also have a cat 6 floater. Since this does not covert points wise exactly into a new category I am hoping they will either round it up to 7 nights worth of points at a new cat 5 (35k/night) or they will map the category to at least a new cat 5.
For the doomsayers who claim Marriott may give only 15k for a floater cert I say, "no way - not happening." It is not reasonable and they would have a media fiasco and a bunch of lawsuits if they tried it. I am confident that won't happen and I am comfortable keeping one of my certs as a floater. Anyone who believes they might only get 15k for a floater should attach it to a reservation but I am not worried about that. I only attached one of my certs to a property I had no plans of staying at to have a chance at increasing its value above the baseline generosity I am expecting from Marriott.
Aug 6, 2018, 9:33 am
#4733
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: NY Metro
Programs: SPG Titanium, United Premier 1K
Posts: 1,601
So is it confirmed? Cant book any more of these?
Aug 6, 2018, 10:08 am
#4735
Join Date: May 2002
Programs: AAdvantage Platinum, United Silver, Marriott Titanium Elite
Posts: 2,276
I have one cat 8 attached to a property in Hawaii that is going from old cat 8 to new cat 7 so it will be going up 20k/night. I plan to cancel this reservation post 8/18 and stay at a different new cat 7 property (a Starwood property which will be going down in points post 8/18 to 60k/night so I cannot attach a cert to it now). .
Also, the reservation itself traditionally has not changed categories, even if the category has changed for new reservations. Think of it just like a cash reservation, where you make a guaranteed reservation for $200 per night, but the hotel's rate subsequently goes to $300 per night for the same nights. You still have a guaranteed $200 per night reservation.
Some folks on this forum expect everything to be different August 18. However, anyone who expects to leverage category changes to transform e-certificates to have more value is likely to be disappointed.
Last edited by Horace; Aug 6, 2018 at 10:15 am
Aug 6, 2018, 10:21 am
#4736
Join Date: Feb 2015
Posts: 407
If you were a betting person?! Any replies welcome re my TP dilemma...
Thank you for reading this -- I genuinely appreciate it.
Any advice from fellow FTers on the following TP dilemma would be much appreciated! (Basically, I am trying to take my 80-y-o mom away to Japan at the end of next year (Nov 2019) -- sadly, it could be "the last hurrah" for us as she, very unfortunately, has the beginnings of dementia.) I'd ideally like to book the Ritz-Carlton Kyoto for seven nights in November 2019 and I already have a Tier 4-5 Hotel certificate from having taken out a Marriott Travel Package.
But I'm just not sure what the best thing to do now (pre-August 18) is in terms of using my "Tier 4-5 hotel certificate" in order to lock in a seven-night stay at the R-C Kyoto in November 2019?
(a) Book a dummy reservation now (and also have Marriott attach my certificate to it) for a year out -- i.e. for August 2019 -- with a view to then having the certificate "in the system" and also then hoping that Marriott (or the hotel directly?) allows me to amendthe booking dates (from August 2019 to November 2019) in November this year when the booking window (for Nov 2019) opens up: my hope ultimately being that, as with the current Marriott program, I might be able to extend the life of the certificate beyond one year?
OR
(b) to hold out for a *possible* 420,000 MR points refund from an enforced, post-August 18 Marriott cancellation of my "floater" Tier 4-5 hotel certificate and, subsequently, book a 7-night stay at the R-C Kyoto (availability permitting) when the booking window for Nov 2019 opens up?
My concern with choosing option "(a)" is that Marriott won't allow me to amend the booking dates in November this year from August 2019 to November 2019; and my concern with choosing option "(b)" is that there ends up being no availability at the R-C Kyoto in November 2018 (for booking dates in November 2019) because every man and his dog at that time will be looking to book this hotel because of the cheap 60,000 points-per-night asking price.
I appreciate that each option carries a risk, but, if fellow FTers were faced with a similar choice (and not knowing now what Marriott will do in the future), which way would you lean towards in terms of either option? Any "best guess" guidance would be greatly appreciated.
All the best
Any advice from fellow FTers on the following TP dilemma would be much appreciated! (Basically, I am trying to take my 80-y-o mom away to Japan at the end of next year (Nov 2019) -- sadly, it could be "the last hurrah" for us as she, very unfortunately, has the beginnings of dementia.) I'd ideally like to book the Ritz-Carlton Kyoto for seven nights in November 2019 and I already have a Tier 4-5 Hotel certificate from having taken out a Marriott Travel Package.
But I'm just not sure what the best thing to do now (pre-August 18) is in terms of using my "Tier 4-5 hotel certificate" in order to lock in a seven-night stay at the R-C Kyoto in November 2019?
(a) Book a dummy reservation now (and also have Marriott attach my certificate to it) for a year out -- i.e. for August 2019 -- with a view to then having the certificate "in the system" and also then hoping that Marriott (or the hotel directly?) allows me to amendthe booking dates (from August 2019 to November 2019) in November this year when the booking window (for Nov 2019) opens up: my hope ultimately being that, as with the current Marriott program, I might be able to extend the life of the certificate beyond one year?
OR
(b) to hold out for a *possible* 420,000 MR points refund from an enforced, post-August 18 Marriott cancellation of my "floater" Tier 4-5 hotel certificate and, subsequently, book a 7-night stay at the R-C Kyoto (availability permitting) when the booking window for Nov 2019 opens up?
My concern with choosing option "(a)" is that Marriott won't allow me to amend the booking dates in November this year from August 2019 to November 2019; and my concern with choosing option "(b)" is that there ends up being no availability at the R-C Kyoto in November 2018 (for booking dates in November 2019) because every man and his dog at that time will be looking to book this hotel because of the cheap 60,000 points-per-night asking price.
I appreciate that each option carries a risk, but, if fellow FTers were faced with a similar choice (and not knowing now what Marriott will do in the future), which way would you lean towards in terms of either option? Any "best guess" guidance would be greatly appreciated.
All the best
Aug 6, 2018, 10:44 am
#4737
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 470
What is your break point between using points and dollars? I’m trying to decide whether to use 35K per night for 4 nights or $268/night. I would get an extra night with the points. But, I will be leaving by 1-2 p.m. after the 4th night. So, no great benefit there. I have a category 5 (25K) 5 night TP that I was planning to upgrade to the 35K level. But, I’m struggling a bit with the value of points with the new system.
What is your value?
What is your value?
Aug 6, 2018, 10:45 am
#4738
Join Date: May 2002
Programs: AAdvantage Platinum, United Silver, Marriott Titanium Elite
Posts: 2,276
(a) Book a dummy reservation now (and also have Marriott attach my certificate to it) for a year out -- i.e. for August 2019 -- with a view to then having the certificate "in the system" and also then hoping that Marriott (or the hotel directly?) allows me to amendthe booking dates (from August 2019 to November 2019) in November this year when the booking window (for Nov 2019) opens up: my hope ultimately being that, as with the current Marriott program, I might be able to extend the life of the certificate beyond one year?
OR
(b) to hold out for a *possible* 420,000 MR points refund from an enforced, post-August 18 Marriott cancellation of my "floater" Tier 4-5 hotel certificate and, subsequently, book a 7-night stay at the R-C Kyoto (availability permitting) when the booking window for Nov 2019 opens up?
OR
(b) to hold out for a *possible* 420,000 MR points refund from an enforced, post-August 18 Marriott cancellation of my "floater" Tier 4-5 hotel certificate and, subsequently, book a 7-night stay at the R-C Kyoto (availability permitting) when the booking window for Nov 2019 opens up?
(b) There are all sorts of theories of what will happen to unattached e-certificates on August 18. Some theories are quite wild, ranging from amazing windfalls to disastrous, forced losses of point value. Marriott has announced that current 1-night e-certificates will remain 1-night e-certificates, but denominated with the point value corresponding to the old category. Marriott has not announced what will happen to current 7-night e-certificates. I expect these to remain 7-night e-certificates, but denominated with the point value corresponding to the old category — with functionality to add or refund points when attaching them to a 7-night reservation. This seems logical to me, but one person on the thread thinks I will "eat crow" when Marriott publishes the details.
Last edited by Horace; Aug 6, 2018 at 11:47 am
Aug 6, 2018, 11:45 am
#4740
Join Date: Jan 2006
Programs: Marriott - Titanium, AA - Lifetime Gold
Posts: 333
I am very torn on a Cat 6 booking that the hotel will go down to new Cat 4 (i.e. from 30K currently to 25K after Aug 18). We do plan/need to stay there. The reservation was made BEFORE Marriott put out its new chart. I upgraded the Cat 5 cert to Cat 6 and attached to the reservation. A few weeks later Marriott put out the new charts.
Because of the uncertainty of how Marriott would treat the unattached certs, it has caused lots of confusion and anxiety for folks who are holding those, esp their targeted hotels would go down in pts per night, or the targeted hotels are SPG properties.
Personally I am a bit resentful on how Marriott is handling this. Why would we have to play "cliff hanger" when there could be some very simple solution(s) that would be fair to both the customers and the Marriott corporation? The only reason behind this current uncertainty is because Marriott tries from every angle to MINIMIZE its costs on the old TPs as evidenced by how much more expensive the new TPs are. A devaluation no matter how Marriott would spin it. Airlines on the other hand while devalue their miles often at least most the time they gave you several months notice so you can plan accordingly.
Just the treatment of keeping us in the dark till after the fact, is an UNFAIR treatment to members in my opinion.
Because of the uncertainty of how Marriott would treat the unattached certs, it has caused lots of confusion and anxiety for folks who are holding those, esp their targeted hotels would go down in pts per night, or the targeted hotels are SPG properties.
Personally I am a bit resentful on how Marriott is handling this. Why would we have to play "cliff hanger" when there could be some very simple solution(s) that would be fair to both the customers and the Marriott corporation? The only reason behind this current uncertainty is because Marriott tries from every angle to MINIMIZE its costs on the old TPs as evidenced by how much more expensive the new TPs are. A devaluation no matter how Marriott would spin it. Airlines on the other hand while devalue their miles often at least most the time they gave you several months notice so you can plan accordingly.
Just the treatment of keeping us in the dark till after the fact, is an UNFAIR treatment to members in my opinion.