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Legacy to New Travel Package Conversion (effective August 2019)
A Marriott supervisor can currently convert your legacy travel package into the new category mapping. If you hold a Category 6, 8, or Tier 1-3 legacy certificate, it's ideal to downgrade your certificate before converting so that points don't potentially get lost in the process.
The codes for the new partial packages are:
New Cat 1-4: QP83
New Cat 5: QP91
New Cat 6: QP99
New Cat 7:
The legacy certificates map to the new certificates as such:
Cat 1-5 => Cat 1-4
Cat 6 => Cat 1-4
Cat 7 => Cat 5
Cat 8 => Cat 5
Cat 9 => Cat 6
Tier 1-3 => Cat 6
Tier 4-5 => Cat 7
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If you are unsure where you will use your 7 night stay, when you request the package, just ask for a category 1-5 hotel. That way you are out of the least number of points. If later, you decide to book for a higher level category, then you can do so and pay the difference the travel package points. If you can't use your certificate within the year, then as close to the one year anniversary (without going over!) call to extend the certificate for one more year. That's as long as they will typically allow, one extension. There is an option to expedite the mileage delivery to within three business days (sometimes faster) for $15. There are reports that this fee may be waived for platinum members.
Effective April 1 2017 re: Southwest & the companion pass:
"Purchased points, points converted from hotel and car loyalty programs, and e-Rewards, e-Miles, Valued Opinions and Diners Club, points earned from Rapid Rewards program enrollment, tier bonuses, flight bonuses, and partner bonuses (excluding points bonuses earned on the Rapid Rewards Credit Cards from Chase) do not count toward Companion Pass."
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Can I book SPG properties with my Marriott Travel Package? As of 9/1/2018 apparently not. see https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/30155836-post6529.html
Legacy to New Travel Package Conversion (effective August 2019)
A Marriott supervisor can currently convert your legacy travel package into the new category mapping. If you hold a Category 6, 8, or Tier 1-3 legacy certificate, it's ideal to downgrade your certificate before converting so that points don't potentially get lost in the process.
The codes for the new partial packages are:
New Cat 1-4: QP83
New Cat 5: QP91
New Cat 6: QP99
New Cat 7:
Originally Posted by Marriott Rewards Insider
Members who purchased a Category 6, Category 8 or Tier 1-3 certificate prior to 8/18 are able to request a one-time exchange for a Travel Package one category lower. This process will cancel your current Travel Package, reissue a Travel Package one category lower and result in a refund of 30,000 points to your account. To submit a request, follow these steps:
Source: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/marr...es-update.html
- Select “Packages - Deals” from the “Topic” drop down menu
- Submit your request
Source: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/marr...es-update.html
The legacy certificates map to the new certificates as such:
Cat 1-5 => Cat 1-4
Cat 6 => Cat 1-4
Cat 7 => Cat 5
Cat 8 => Cat 5
Cat 9 => Cat 6
Tier 1-3 => Cat 6
Tier 4-5 => Cat 7
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If you are unsure where you will use your 7 night stay, when you request the package, just ask for a category 1-5 hotel. That way you are out of the least number of points. If later, you decide to book for a higher level category, then you can do so and pay the difference the travel package points. If you can't use your certificate within the year, then as close to the one year anniversary (without going over!) call to extend the certificate for one more year. That's as long as they will typically allow, one extension. There is an option to expedite the mileage delivery to within three business days (sometimes faster) for $15. There are reports that this fee may be waived for platinum members.
Effective April 1 2017 re: Southwest & the companion pass:
"Purchased points, points converted from hotel and car loyalty programs, and e-Rewards, e-Miles, Valued Opinions and Diners Club, points earned from Rapid Rewards program enrollment, tier bonuses, flight bonuses, and partner bonuses (excluding points bonuses earned on the Rapid Rewards Credit Cards from Chase) do not count toward Companion Pass."
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Can I book SPG properties with my Marriott Travel Package? As of 9/1/2018 apparently not. see https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/30155836-post6529.html
Marriott Travel Packages
#6076
Join Date: May 2003
Posts: 6,359
Just so people don't think I made something up, this was the internal approved language for the social media team as of the start of 8/20 (from my connection at Marriott). This is why I said they planned to double down. I have no idea what transpired between the time this was approved and the 30K refunds, but this is what they had planned to push out here (that apparently never made it out):
Now that I will be getting a 90k pt refund for my 3 original Cat 6 TPs, I suppose I am satisfied. That said, as I mentioned earlier, I still think it wouldn't be a bad idea if Marriott gave a 1-time exception to be able to upgrade or downgrade your cert (by at least 1 category). I don't think I would pay the 60k pts to upgrade my original Cat 6 cert to a Cat 7 cert (which would give me a new Cat 5 cert instead of a new Cat 1-4 cert), but at least it would be an option, and would solve MOST of the issues people had of having to guess at what categories the new TP certs would cover. As others mentioned above, it's also now somewhat unfair that original Cat 6/8/T1-3 TP holders are now seemingly able to extend their TPs by 1 year compared to everybody else (granted I win here by having original Cat 6 certs and the ability to extend my certs).
#6077
Join Date: Jan 2010
Programs: UA, AS
Posts: 2,393
Today I tried to cancel a res with an old cat 8 cert attached and get the cert returned to my account. Fail. Even after confirming with her multiple times that I wanted the cert returned to the account and asking her to confirm it had been returned she screwed it up and canceled the cert and now I have 135k points instead of a cert. When she was confirming she returned the cert I think she mistakenly saw another cert I had in the account and thought that was it - but it wasn't. Now I am on hold again trying to get it fixed and the new agent is telling me she does not think she can fix it - still on hold while she checks. What a fiasco.
Edit: Agent 2 claims the system is hardcoded to cancel and refund legacy certs when the attached res is cancelled (so if anyone wants points back attach legacy cert to a res then cancel it). Now on hold to get a supervisor to see if anything can be done to fix their mistake.
Edit: Agent 2 claims the system is hardcoded to cancel and refund legacy certs when the attached res is cancelled (so if anyone wants points back attach legacy cert to a res then cancel it). Now on hold to get a supervisor to see if anything can be done to fix their mistake.
Last edited by skimthetrees; Aug 21, 2018 at 1:24 pm
#6078
Join Date: Jun 2005
Programs: Former UA 1K, Hyatt Globalist
Posts: 576
Slightly OT but can someone advise if the points showing on SPG should come across to Marriott at x 3? I just merged my accounts and got the same amount of points in my Marriott as my SPG. I can't remember if I had 12,000 starpoints or 3,000 starpoints left. After transfer I have 12,000 Marriot points.
#6079
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Florida
Posts: 29,763
Today I tried to cancel a res with an old cat 8 cert attached and get the cert returned to my account. Fail. Even after confirming with her multiple times that I wanted the cert returned to the account and asking her to confirm it had been returned she screwed it up and canceled the cert and now I have 135k points instead of a cert. When she was confirming she returned the cert I think she mistakenly saw another cert I had in the account and thought that was it - but it wasn't. Now I am on hold again trying to get it fixed and the new agent is telling me she does not think she can fix it - still on hold while she checks. What a fiasco.
Edit: Agent 2 claims the system is hardcoded to cancel and refund legacy certs when the attached res is cancelled (so if anyone wants points back attach legacy cert to a res then cancel it). Now on hold to get a supervisor to see if anything can be done to fix their mistake.
Edit: Agent 2 claims the system is hardcoded to cancel and refund legacy certs when the attached res is cancelled (so if anyone wants points back attach legacy cert to a res then cancel it). Now on hold to get a supervisor to see if anything can be done to fix their mistake.
It is very ironic that those of us who attached a cert to a booking now as we are being URGED to do so, could not change hotel due to the coding in the system. Else you lose your cert and got back the point refund instead. It is NOT the agent's fault. It is how the system is coded to do it this way.
It has become clearer and clearer to me that, the legacy cert has to be converted to the New certs before it could be used.
Unfortunately for those of you who have attached the legacy certs, now it becomes a nightmare to detach and rebook, Marriott Insider's post from Aug 20th after 5pm notwithstanding. System is NOT ready to handle ANYTHING she said in her post!
For those of us whose certs are NOT attached, if you really want to use it now before the dust settled, you should ask the supervisor to CONVERT it to the new cert. A competent supervisor did this for me on Sunday around 2:30pm - she canceled my Partial 6 and redeemed a Partial 1-4 in the new system, noting the new Partial 1-4 contains 75K value (versus the 45K from an old Cat 5). She was very honest to me that she did not know if the system would allow it and be prepared for failure. We agreed to go ahead. System allowed it. And I have the Partial 1-4 with 75K in my account. The 75K value does not show online but is indeed in the confirmation emails I received. A P870 was canceled, and a QP80 with 75K value was redeemed. I saw the usual 0 pts on a Cancelled Reward and a Negative 75K on a redemption, in the Activity page after overnight.
So if you want to try this route, ask for a supervisor and suggest if this would work. You will get a NEW Partial cert based on the new TP conversion level, and then that cert should be able to book the corresponding hotel. That would be my guess.
Good luck to those who continue to struggle thru this mess. Personally I would just make reward reservation without points on Marriott properties and wait for the eventual solution days / weeks from now. Unfortunately this would not work for SPG properties as right now it seems you have to still use SPG side to book those with actual points in your SPG account, from what I have read.
Last edited by Happy; Aug 21, 2018 at 1:39 pm
#6080
Suspended
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Watchlisted by the prejudiced, en route to purgatory
Programs: Just Say No to Fleecing and Blacklisting
Posts: 102,095
For a successful company that hopes to retain customer loyalty, it is generally cheaper to handle things fairly in the beginning. MPG could have announced months ago that Old 1-5 maps to new 4, Old 7 to new 5, old Tier 1-3 to new 6 and Tier 4-5 to new 7. At the same time, it could have been made clear that mismatched old certificates would be refunded appropriate points. If that had happened, I believe most would be fine with the results. That would have been cheaper and less controversial for the company than the end result.
In the service to their lord Greed, Marriott sacrifices its customers on its altar. We can only hope for apostasy, but don’t count on anything but Marriott wanting to fleece its TP-redeeming customers as much as it can.
Last edited by GUWonder; Aug 21, 2018 at 1:49 pm
#6081
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: May 2015
Location: BOS, YVR, ZRH
Programs: *G
Posts: 17,405
Honestly don't remember what my SPG points balance was before I initiated the transfer(but after August 18), but my merged points total is my MR balance + 3x the SPG points I had before August 18. So either way, the 3x conversion worked fine for the merger for me.
#6082
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Florida
Posts: 29,763
Corporate Greed at full swing.
#6083
Join Date: Jun 2005
Programs: Former UA 1K, Hyatt Globalist
Posts: 576
If you use LastPass, you need to be careful on how you login. SPG.com redirects you to the SPG page on the Marriott domain. LastPass will automatically choose your Marriott login.
#6084
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: New York
Programs: MB-LTT , HH-Diam., HGP-Expl.
Posts: 778
I agree with the above, but with one exception. I expect that the results would have been more costly and less controversial for the company than the end result, if Marriott had handled things fairly from the beginning.
In the service to their lord Greed, Marriott sacrifices its customers on its altar. We can only hope for apostasy, but don’t count on anything but Marriott wanting to fleece its TP-redeeming customers as much as it can.
#6085
Join Date: Jun 2005
Programs: Former UA 1K, Hyatt Globalist
Posts: 576
Marriott should just allow upgrades and downgrades to the new categorys. They have already burned through a lot of goodwill.
Their competitors are already offering status matches. Credit card issuers are retooling their offerings to pick up the high spend SPG American Express customers. Treating your best costumers this way over the travel packages plus reducing the earning rate by a third on your credit card is not smart.
Their competitors are already offering status matches. Credit card issuers are retooling their offerings to pick up the high spend SPG American Express customers. Treating your best costumers this way over the travel packages plus reducing the earning rate by a third on your credit card is not smart.
#6086
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Florida
Posts: 29,763
My understanding AND the actual experience is, SPG balance automatically changed to 3x over the weekend whether one merger the accounts or not.
BTW, did you do a TRANSFER or a Combined Accounts? They are 2 different methods. Before the Merger weekend, Transfer is the only way to move the points. After the Merger weekend, it seems it has been a Combined of Accounts.
On top of things, there are some implication on whether one wants to do the Combined Accounts thing now or later - it depends on whether you want to book an SPG property especially those few that are Suite Only properties. It seems ONLY SPG side could book those as they all require small additional to book the "Upgraded room" from the standard room.
If you zero out your SPG account, you would be out of luck if your desired properties are on the SPG high end side.
OMAAT on how to book the Al Maha property has lots of information in the comment section. Though why would people want to book that property is beyond me - other than it has gone from 80K SPG pts to now only 20K SPG pts (or 60K pts), for a property with $1500 USD night retail price tag, in the middle of dessert near Dubai, fwiw.
#6087
Join Date: Dec 2017
Posts: 746
Please dont blame the first agent because what you are told by the 2nd agent is what exactly how the current system behaves.
It is very ironic that those of us who attached a cert to a booking now as we are being URGED to do so, could not change hotel due to the coding in the system. Else you lose your cert and got back the point refund instead. It is NOT the agent's fault. It is how the system is coded to do it this wa.
It is very ironic that those of us who attached a cert to a booking now as we are being URGED to do so, could not change hotel due to the coding in the system. Else you lose your cert and got back the point refund instead. It is NOT the agent's fault. It is how the system is coded to do it this wa.
#6088
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: May 2015
Location: BOS, YVR, ZRH
Programs: *G
Posts: 17,405
I am not sure I understand what you said - You do NOT remember your SPG pt balance was in your account before you initiated the transfer after the merger, but you can figure out after transfer your Marriott balance is the sum of the existing Marriott balance + 3x the "not remembered" SPG balance?
My understanding AND the actual experience is, SPG balance automatically changed to 3x over the weekend whether one merger the accounts or not.
BTW, did you do a TRANSFER or a Combined Accounts? They are 2 different methods. Before the Merger weekend, Transfer is the only way to move the points. After the Merger weekend, it seems it has been a Combined of Accounts.
On top of things, there are some implication on whether one wants to do the Combined Accounts thing now or later - it depends on whether you want to book an SPG property especially those few that are Suite Only properties. It seems ONLY SPG side could book those as they all require small additional to book the "Upgraded room" from the standard room.
If you zero out your SPG account, you would be out of luck if your desired properties are on the SPG high end side.
OMAAT on how to book the Al Maha property has lots of information in the comment section. Though why would people want to book that property is beyond me - other than it has gone from 80K SPG pts to now only 20K SPG pts (or 60K pts), for a property with $1500 USD night retail price tag, in the middle of dessert near Dubai, fwiw.
My understanding AND the actual experience is, SPG balance automatically changed to 3x over the weekend whether one merger the accounts or not.
BTW, did you do a TRANSFER or a Combined Accounts? They are 2 different methods. Before the Merger weekend, Transfer is the only way to move the points. After the Merger weekend, it seems it has been a Combined of Accounts.
On top of things, there are some implication on whether one wants to do the Combined Accounts thing now or later - it depends on whether you want to book an SPG property especially those few that are Suite Only properties. It seems ONLY SPG side could book those as they all require small additional to book the "Upgraded room" from the standard room.
If you zero out your SPG account, you would be out of luck if your desired properties are on the SPG high end side.
OMAAT on how to book the Al Maha property has lots of information in the comment section. Though why would people want to book that property is beyond me - other than it has gone from 80K SPG pts to now only 20K SPG pts (or 60K pts), for a property with $1500 USD night retail price tag, in the middle of dessert near Dubai, fwiw.
On August 10th, my balance was:
50'000SPG
100'000MR
I merged (not transfer) accounts yesterday, August 20. As a result of which, I now have 250'000MR.
Whether the 50'000SPG became 150'000 "mergeable" MR points on August 18th I honestly don't remember. All I know is that my combined sum of points today is that it's the sum of my MR balance and 3xSPG balance from a week ago, so there didn't seem to be an issue with Marriott messing up the math of the merger at all. Even my Lifetime numbers appear correct (if not too much....), which I don't think is true for everyone on this forum, so I must've just gotten lucky at least on that front.
FWIW: Al Maha is a beautiful property, I was legitimately considering it for a 1/2-night stay as part of a trip to Dubai. Wouldn't stay there for the entire time, but it's an experience.
#6089
Join Date: Apr 2016
Posts: 706
For better or worse, I considered only hotels in the from the original category and how they landed in the new mapping, to see how equivalent the before and after coverage of the original set was. OC9 picking up T3 hotels certainly is beneficial, but not captured in the analysis.
Looking at OC9 (ignoring spg)-
Originally had 92 hotels, during the remap, 2 went to NC5, 68 to NC6, 21 to NC7 and 1 to NC8.
That cert landed in NC6, which also picked up 135 other hotels during the remap not coming from OC9, 1 from OC6, 10 from OC7, 104 rom OC8, 18 from T3, and 2 from T4.
So the converted OC9 cert (NC6) now has 203 hotels, from 92, of which 68 are from OC9.
The average point cost of the old hotels is 42,400 - which is lower than both original OC9 (45k) and NC6 (50k).
62 SPG hotels mapped to NC6, bringing the grand total to 265.
I know I've been asserting that the fair thing to do in lieu of advanced notice would be to map for near 100% coverage, which would be NC7 in this case. Looking at how much shift there was (quite the split range from NC5-NC8, and quite the consolidation range from OC6 to T4), maybe the hotels weren't as well positioned as they should have been originally, although all went through updates in March, which is a head scratcher considering the large range on a similar adjustment done just months later. This is combination with the addition of the SPG properties and peak price protection, have me stepping back from that position slightly. I still think they should error on the side of rounding up just because they have handled and continue to handle this entire situation like a bunch of jackasses. End the stupidity and move on.
Looking at OC9 (ignoring spg)-
Originally had 92 hotels, during the remap, 2 went to NC5, 68 to NC6, 21 to NC7 and 1 to NC8.
That cert landed in NC6, which also picked up 135 other hotels during the remap not coming from OC9, 1 from OC6, 10 from OC7, 104 rom OC8, 18 from T3, and 2 from T4.
So the converted OC9 cert (NC6) now has 203 hotels, from 92, of which 68 are from OC9.
The average point cost of the old hotels is 42,400 - which is lower than both original OC9 (45k) and NC6 (50k).
62 SPG hotels mapped to NC6, bringing the grand total to 265.
I know I've been asserting that the fair thing to do in lieu of advanced notice would be to map for near 100% coverage, which would be NC7 in this case. Looking at how much shift there was (quite the split range from NC5-NC8, and quite the consolidation range from OC6 to T4), maybe the hotels weren't as well positioned as they should have been originally, although all went through updates in March, which is a head scratcher considering the large range on a similar adjustment done just months later. This is combination with the addition of the SPG properties and peak price protection, have me stepping back from that position slightly. I still think they should error on the side of rounding up just because they have handled and continue to handle this entire situation like a bunch of jackasses. End the stupidity and move on.
#6090
Join Date: Jan 2010
Programs: UA, AS
Posts: 2,393
Today I tried to cancel a res with an old cat 8 cert attached and get the cert returned to my account. Fail. Even after confirming with her multiple times that I wanted the cert returned to the account and asking her to confirm it had been returned she screwed it up and canceled the cert and now I have 135k points instead of a cert. When she was confirming she returned the cert I think she mistakenly saw another cert I had in the account and thought that was it - but it wasn't. Now I am on hold again trying to get it fixed and the new agent is telling me she does not think she can fix it - still on hold while she checks. What a fiasco.
Edit: Agent 2 claims the system is hardcoded to cancel and refund legacy certs when the attached res is cancelled (so if anyone wants points back attach legacy cert to a res then cancel it). Now on hold to get a supervisor to see if anything can be done to fix their mistake.
Edit: Agent 2 claims the system is hardcoded to cancel and refund legacy certs when the attached res is cancelled (so if anyone wants points back attach legacy cert to a res then cancel it). Now on hold to get a supervisor to see if anything can be done to fix their mistake.
It is very ironic that those of us who attached a cert to a booking now as we are being URGED to do so, could not change hotel due to the coding in the system. Else you lose your cert and got back the point refund instead. It is NOT the agent's fault. It is how the system is coded to do it this way.
It has become clearer and clearer to me that, the legacy cert has to be converted to the New certs before it could be used.
Unfortunately for those of you who have attached the legacy certs, now it becomes a nightmare to detach and rebook, Marriott Insider's post from Aug 20th after 5pm notwithstanding. System is NOT ready to handle ANYTHING she said in her post!
For those of us whose certs are NOT attached, if you really want to use it now before the dust settled, you should ask the supervisor to CONVERT it to the new cert. A competent supervisor did this for me on Sunday around 2:30pm - she canceled my Partial 6 and redeemed a Partial 1-4 in the new system, noting the new Partial 1-4 contains 75K value (versus the 45K from an old Cat 5). She was very honest to me that she did not know if the system would allow it and be prepared for failure. We agreed to go ahead. System allowed it. And I have the Partial 1-4 with 75K in my account. The 75K value does not show online but is indeed in the confirmation emails I received. A P870 was canceled, and a QP80 with 75K value was redeemed. I saw the usual 0 pts on a Cancelled Reward and a Negative 75K on a redemption, in the Activity page after overnight.
So if you want to try this route, ask for a supervisor and suggest if this would work. You will get a NEW Partial cert based on the new TP conversion level, and then that cert should be able to book the corresponding hotel. That would be my guess.
Good luck to those who continue to struggle thru this mess. Personally I would just make reward reservation without points on Marriott properties and wait for the eventual solution days / weeks from now. Unfortunately this would not work for SPG properties as right now it seems you have to still use SPG side to book those with actual points in your SPG account, from what I have read.
It has become clearer and clearer to me that, the legacy cert has to be converted to the New certs before it could be used.
Unfortunately for those of you who have attached the legacy certs, now it becomes a nightmare to detach and rebook, Marriott Insider's post from Aug 20th after 5pm notwithstanding. System is NOT ready to handle ANYTHING she said in her post!
For those of us whose certs are NOT attached, if you really want to use it now before the dust settled, you should ask the supervisor to CONVERT it to the new cert. A competent supervisor did this for me on Sunday around 2:30pm - she canceled my Partial 6 and redeemed a Partial 1-4 in the new system, noting the new Partial 1-4 contains 75K value (versus the 45K from an old Cat 5). She was very honest to me that she did not know if the system would allow it and be prepared for failure. We agreed to go ahead. System allowed it. And I have the Partial 1-4 with 75K in my account. The 75K value does not show online but is indeed in the confirmation emails I received. A P870 was canceled, and a QP80 with 75K value was redeemed. I saw the usual 0 pts on a Cancelled Reward and a Negative 75K on a redemption, in the Activity page after overnight.
So if you want to try this route, ask for a supervisor and suggest if this would work. You will get a NEW Partial cert based on the new TP conversion level, and then that cert should be able to book the corresponding hotel. That would be my guess.
Good luck to those who continue to struggle thru this mess. Personally I would just make reward reservation without points on Marriott properties and wait for the eventual solution days / weeks from now. Unfortunately this would not work for SPG properties as right now it seems you have to still use SPG side to book those with actual points in your SPG account, from what I have read.
The takeaway here is that there is a way for supervisors to upgrade your legacy package one level up. I think the supervisor I talked to made a mistake and was not supposed to do it, and I did not want him to do it, but the system does allow supervisors to do it.