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Legacy to New Travel Package Conversion (effective August 2019)
A Marriott supervisor can currently convert your legacy travel package into the new category mapping. If you hold a Category 6, 8, or Tier 1-3 legacy certificate, it's ideal to downgrade your certificate before converting so that points don't potentially get lost in the process.
The codes for the new partial packages are:
New Cat 1-4: QP83
New Cat 5: QP91
New Cat 6: QP99
New Cat 7:
The legacy certificates map to the new certificates as such:
Cat 1-5 => Cat 1-4
Cat 6 => Cat 1-4
Cat 7 => Cat 5
Cat 8 => Cat 5
Cat 9 => Cat 6
Tier 1-3 => Cat 6
Tier 4-5 => Cat 7
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If you are unsure where you will use your 7 night stay, when you request the package, just ask for a category 1-5 hotel. That way you are out of the least number of points. If later, you decide to book for a higher level category, then you can do so and pay the difference the travel package points. If you can't use your certificate within the year, then as close to the one year anniversary (without going over!) call to extend the certificate for one more year. That's as long as they will typically allow, one extension. There is an option to expedite the mileage delivery to within three business days (sometimes faster) for $15. There are reports that this fee may be waived for platinum members.
Effective April 1 2017 re: Southwest & the companion pass:
"Purchased points, points converted from hotel and car loyalty programs, and e-Rewards, e-Miles, Valued Opinions and Diners Club, points earned from Rapid Rewards program enrollment, tier bonuses, flight bonuses, and partner bonuses (excluding points bonuses earned on the Rapid Rewards Credit Cards from Chase) do not count toward Companion Pass."
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Can I book SPG properties with my Marriott Travel Package? As of 9/1/2018 apparently not. see https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/30155836-post6529.html
Legacy to New Travel Package Conversion (effective August 2019)
A Marriott supervisor can currently convert your legacy travel package into the new category mapping. If you hold a Category 6, 8, or Tier 1-3 legacy certificate, it's ideal to downgrade your certificate before converting so that points don't potentially get lost in the process.
The codes for the new partial packages are:
New Cat 1-4: QP83
New Cat 5: QP91
New Cat 6: QP99
New Cat 7:
Originally Posted by Marriott Rewards Insider
Members who purchased a Category 6, Category 8 or Tier 1-3 certificate prior to 8/18 are able to request a one-time exchange for a Travel Package one category lower. This process will cancel your current Travel Package, reissue a Travel Package one category lower and result in a refund of 30,000 points to your account. To submit a request, follow these steps:
Source: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/marr...es-update.html
- Select “Packages - Deals” from the “Topic” drop down menu
- Submit your request
Source: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/marr...es-update.html
The legacy certificates map to the new certificates as such:
Cat 1-5 => Cat 1-4
Cat 6 => Cat 1-4
Cat 7 => Cat 5
Cat 8 => Cat 5
Cat 9 => Cat 6
Tier 1-3 => Cat 6
Tier 4-5 => Cat 7
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If you are unsure where you will use your 7 night stay, when you request the package, just ask for a category 1-5 hotel. That way you are out of the least number of points. If later, you decide to book for a higher level category, then you can do so and pay the difference the travel package points. If you can't use your certificate within the year, then as close to the one year anniversary (without going over!) call to extend the certificate for one more year. That's as long as they will typically allow, one extension. There is an option to expedite the mileage delivery to within three business days (sometimes faster) for $15. There are reports that this fee may be waived for platinum members.
Effective April 1 2017 re: Southwest & the companion pass:
"Purchased points, points converted from hotel and car loyalty programs, and e-Rewards, e-Miles, Valued Opinions and Diners Club, points earned from Rapid Rewards program enrollment, tier bonuses, flight bonuses, and partner bonuses (excluding points bonuses earned on the Rapid Rewards Credit Cards from Chase) do not count toward Companion Pass."
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Can I book SPG properties with my Marriott Travel Package? As of 9/1/2018 apparently not. see https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/30155836-post6529.html
Marriott Travel Packages
#6121
Join Date: Jan 2010
Programs: UA, AS
Posts: 2,393
If I've followed you correctly, you received 135k points, but managed to talk directly to a supervisor to issue you a partial package under the new chart? (minus the 30K incremental which is the premium based on the old chart). Did you ask to speak to one directly, or was there a regular agent as an intermediary?
Might be hope for me yet trying to get a straight Old 5 to new 4
Might be hope for me yet trying to get a straight Old 5 to new 4
Here is the information on my new cat 6 partial package. Hopefully this helps someone.
Reward Details
- Description: PARTIAL PACKAGE - 7 NIGHTS CATEGORY 6
- Reward code: QP99
- Valid through: Wednesday, August 21, 2019
- Total points redeemed: 165,000
- Confirmed on: Tuesday, August 21, 2018
Reward certificate number: XXXXnnnn
Total points redeemed:165,000
#6122
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: YVR to SEA
Posts: 2,535
I just want to make sure I have this correct. You believe your Old Cat 5 certificate should eligible for a New Category 5? Yes?
If an old Category 8 @ 40K per night is now a new Category 5 @ 35K per night how do you account for your Old Cat 1-5 with value of 150K @ 25K per night being sufficient for that redemption?
An unattached certificate was a gamble. No ifs, ands, or buts about it. Luckily everyone got more value than a cancelled certificate for points. You got your Cake, but now want to eat it too.
Would you be happy if everything mapped to a New Cat 7 and then when all the available rooms were booked you had a certificate that could not be used?
James
If an old Category 8 @ 40K per night is now a new Category 5 @ 35K per night how do you account for your Old Cat 1-5 with value of 150K @ 25K per night being sufficient for that redemption?
An unattached certificate was a gamble. No ifs, ands, or buts about it. Luckily everyone got more value than a cancelled certificate for points. You got your Cake, but now want to eat it too.
Would you be happy if everything mapped to a New Cat 7 and then when all the available rooms were booked you had a certificate that could not be used?
James
The very message you quoted from me explicitly mentioned partial category 4, which is worth 25k standard.
Also, had you actually read this thread, the only reason why I'm asking is because I had cancelled an attached old 5 certificate and was given 45k points, instead of a new cat 4. My travel pack had been attached since June, so spare me your indignation
Since multiple agents and supervisors were unable to help, I wanted to know if there was a pattern to the new partial certs coding. Given what we see now, there might not be, since a partial new 4 is QP80 and a partial new 6 is QP99
Please come back when you have something of value to add
#6123
Join Date: Nov 2006
Programs: AA MM PP, MR LT Plat, Globalist
Posts: 1,004
All of this confusion coupled by no official communication from Marriott means that we should be guaranteed extensions on the cert expiration date. If Marriott had expected to change this policy, they had many chances to convey this info to bloggers over the past couple days.
#6124
Join Date: Aug 2018
Programs: Marriott
Posts: 46
I just want to make sure I have this correct. You believe your Old Cat 5 certificate should eligible for a New Category 5? Yes?
If an old Category 8 @ 40K per night is now a new Category 5 @ 35K per night how do you account for your Old Cat 1-5 with value of 150K @ 25K per night being sufficient for that redemption?
An unattached certificate was a gamble. No ifs, ands, or buts about it. Luckily everyone got more value than a cancelled certificate for points. You got your Cake, but now want to eat it too.
Would you be happy if everything mapped to a New Cat 7 and then when all the available rooms were booked you had a certificate that could not be used?
James
If an old Category 8 @ 40K per night is now a new Category 5 @ 35K per night how do you account for your Old Cat 1-5 with value of 150K @ 25K per night being sufficient for that redemption?
An unattached certificate was a gamble. No ifs, ands, or buts about it. Luckily everyone got more value than a cancelled certificate for points. You got your Cake, but now want to eat it too.
Would you be happy if everything mapped to a New Cat 7 and then when all the available rooms were booked you had a certificate that could not be used?
James
Go on, James. Prove me wrong.
#6125
Join Date: Dec 2017
Posts: 746
I totally agree on the boondoggle. Marriott should have just cancelled all the unttached certificates and converted them to points. Then they could book whatever they wanted with their 45K + 30K per category upgrade and everyone would be whole. I don't see giving you back exactly what you had in worth, is fleecing anyone.
#6127
Suspended
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Watchlisted by the prejudiced, en route to purgatory
Programs: Just Say No to Fleecing and Blacklisting
Posts: 102,095
I totally agree on the boondoggle. Marriott should have just cancelled all the unttached certificates and converted them to points. Then they could book whatever they wanted with their 45K + 30K per category upgrade and everyone would be whole. I don't see giving you back exactly what you had in worth, is fleecing anyone.
Perhaps this is what Marriott should do if it starts and ends with Marriott! No? Be careful what you ask for.
45K + 30K per category upgrade is all that your old package is worth in points if you didn't utilize it's value in the old program. Anything more is a bonus.
I will just add that I have lost a lot of sleep over this boondoggle! It all has been so incredibly entertaining that I just can't put it down.
James
#6128
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 192
Given how they released no information apart from "lock in your TP's now to avoid something we're not willing to tell you but have already decided" coupled with the introduction of peak/off peak redemptions next year and the removal of the ability to upgrade packages (many people surely had 1-5's pending upgrading once they had the points) then I think the fairest thing marriott could do is to offer people who held TP's prior to the 18th the ability to pay a premium in points at redemption time should they wish to use the package on a higher category based on the points delta between what they value the package at and what their redeeming at.
IE Hold a cat 1-4 valued at 30k points per night, want to book a cat 6 peak (60k points per night) -> redeem TP and 210k points.
I think the mapping was fair, I think the removal of the flexibility certainly was not fair particularly as there was no official announcement (and AFAIK still isnt)
IE Hold a cat 1-4 valued at 30k points per night, want to book a cat 6 peak (60k points per night) -> redeem TP and 210k points.
I think the mapping was fair, I think the removal of the flexibility certainly was not fair particularly as there was no official announcement (and AFAIK still isnt)
#6129
Join Date: Dec 2017
Posts: 746
Given how they released no information apart from "lock in your TP's now to avoid something we're not willing to tell you but have already decided" coupled with the introduction of peak/off peak redemptions next year and the removal of the ability to upgrade packages (many people surely had 1-5's pending upgrading once they had the points) then I think the fairest thing marriott could do is to offer people who held TP's prior to the 18th the ability to pay a premium in points at redemption time should they wish to use the package on a higher category based on the points delta between what they value the package at and what their redeeming at.
IE Hold a cat 1-4 valued at 30k points per night, want to book a cat 6 peak (60k points per night) -> redeem TP and 210k points.
I think the mapping was fair, I think the removal of the flexibility certainly was not fair particularly as there was no official announcement (and AFAIK still isnt)
IE Hold a cat 1-4 valued at 30k points per night, want to book a cat 6 peak (60k points per night) -> redeem TP and 210k points.
I think the mapping was fair, I think the removal of the flexibility certainly was not fair particularly as there was no official announcement (and AFAIK still isnt)
#6130
Suspended
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Watchlisted by the prejudiced, en route to purgatory
Programs: Just Say No to Fleecing and Blacklisting
Posts: 102,095
Given how they released no information apart from "lock in your TP's now to avoid something we're not willing to tell you but have already decided" coupled with the introduction of peak/off peak redemptions next year and the removal of the ability to upgrade packages (many people surely had 1-5's pending upgrading once they had the points) then I think the fairest thing marriott could do is to offer people who held TP's prior to the 18th the ability to pay a premium in points at redemption time should they wish to use the package on a higher category based on the points delta between what they value the package at and what their redeeming at.
IE Hold a cat 1-4 valued at 30k points per night, want to book a cat 6 peak (60k points per night) -> redeem TP and 210k points.
I think the mapping was fair, I think the removal of the flexibility certainly was not fair particularly as there was no official announcement (and AFAIK still isnt)
IE Hold a cat 1-4 valued at 30k points per night, want to book a cat 6 peak (60k points per night) -> redeem TP and 210k points.
I think the mapping was fair, I think the removal of the flexibility certainly was not fair particularly as there was no official announcement (and AFAIK still isnt)
#6131
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: New York
Programs: MB-LTT , HH-Diam., HGP-Expl.
Posts: 778
Here is the information on my new cat 6 partial package. Hopefully this helps someone.Reward Details
- Description: PARTIAL PACKAGE - 7 NIGHTS CATEGORY 6
- Reward code: QP99
- Valid through: Wednesday, August 21, 2019
- Total points redeemed: 165,000
- Confirmed on: Tuesday, August 21, 2018
Reward certificate number: XXXXnnnn
Total points redeemed:165,000
Last edited by rny321; Aug 22, 2018 at 7:13 am
#6132
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Florida
Posts: 29,763
Therefore, technically you conveniently omit the FACT that for the 45K if being refunded, would not cover even 50% of the same stay by the 7 nights cert.
May be you redeemed your package just for the miles. Many do. Nothing wrong with that. But there are also many of us who redeemed the packages also for the actual hotel stay need.
That is what the OssianBlue's point counters Jame's nonsense on members would be made whole if the 45K pts being returned when members tried to change hotel like crimsona who has a need to do so, and the system made him losing his existing cert and seemingly nobody at Marriott he got on the phone calls, would try to help.
So pray you would not need to change dates or change hotels on your attached certs if you have any such booking(s), else you would be suffering the same mess as crimsona currently suffers, that is why crimsona tries to get real help from our collective wisdom on this thread in the attempt to figure out how to Protect Ourselves from Marriott's Shenanigans.
This, should provide a lesson or 2, especially with the further evidence that is revealed from this post 6020 that I feel everyone should read - it is very chilling.
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/30108459-post6020.html
I would like to remind people, Had It Not for Many of Us Raised Our Voice, Marriott would double down to rub salt to the injury to those who suffer this Shenanigans.
@crimsona, the conversion can be done as it has been done on Sunday by different supervisors located in different call centers, and yesterday by the supervisor skimtherees got (despite the mistake the supervisor made on the wrong category chosen).
The SAD thing is, because Marriott has chosen, again, to keep its employees totally in the dark without communicating what the latest company lines to the people who are actually doing the job you would need to play supervisor roulette, much like redeeming airline award seats, to find a sympathetic supervisor who is willing to try. My supervisor on Sunday told me she would try to see if the system allowed it. She took some time to study the NC table before she went in to do the cancellation of old Partial Cat 6 and reordering of the new Partial 1-4. I received a pair of emails of her actions almost immediately. New Partial 1-4 showed up in account a few hours later, though it does not say the point value but the confirmation email has the information.
And that was on Sunday, when Marriott was still holding the Hard Line to stiff the Cat 6, 8 and Tier 1-3 holders, as evidenced by Post 6020 - that should serve as a Reminder - what the real intention Marriott has been having all along.
Finally try to use a speaker phone, so you can be multi-tasking while being put on long long hold. Always ask to speak to a supervisor once the phone is pick up - just briefly said something like my situation is a bit complicated and would require supervisor authority to resolve it. No reason to waste time with front line rep who would need to get supervisor anyway.
Last edited by Happy; Aug 22, 2018 at 8:31 am
#6133
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 45
For the Airline portion, I transferred to AA on Aug 11, up to now it is not on my account. If you guys have some data points i would appreciate it.
thank you!
thank you!
#6134
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Florida
Posts: 29,763
Given how they released no information apart from "lock in your TP's now to avoid something we're not willing to tell you but have already decided" coupled with the introduction of peak/off peak redemptions next year and the removal of the ability to upgrade packages (many people surely had 1-5's pending upgrading once they had the points) then I think the fairest thing marriott could do is to offer people who held TP's prior to the 18th the ability to pay a premium in points at redemption time should they wish to use the package on a higher category based on the points delta between what they value the package at and what their redeeming at.
IE Hold a cat 1-4 valued at 30k points per night, want to book a cat 6 peak (60k points per night) -> redeem TP and 210k points.
I think the mapping was fair, I think the removal of the flexibility certainly was not fair particularly as there was no official announcement (and AFAIK still isnt)
IE Hold a cat 1-4 valued at 30k points per night, want to book a cat 6 peak (60k points per night) -> redeem TP and 210k points.
I think the mapping was fair, I think the removal of the flexibility certainly was not fair particularly as there was no official announcement (and AFAIK still isnt)
The Cat 6 holders paid 30K extra point but get back the SAME new cert 1-4 as those Cat 5 owners. Ditto for the Cat 8 owners.
How can anyone say this is a fair mapping?
Here is a case that good faith from customers have been mad by the very bad case of corporate greed.
In case you have missed it, Please read Post 6020 https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/30108459-post6020.html
It reveals Marriott has NO INTENTION to give refund on the 30K extra pts taken from Cat 6, 8 and Tier 1-3 owners.
It only changed course towards end of the day probably after seeing social media reactions and receiving some bloggers calls to their contacts, then it did an Ad Hoc announcement while not even communicating to their own employees given the responses people received both via the link to submit refund requests or over the phone by reps / supervisors even on the Plat elite line, and the system is DEFINITELY NOT Capable to handle the legacy certs booking, whatever said in the PR Spin notwithstanding.
Nobody has succeeded booking a stay with the unattached legacy cert as recent as late last night based on the feedback on various sites. I monitor this because I have a stay I need to use the cert.
#6135
Join Date: Jan 2008
Programs: AA Exec Platinum; Marriott Titanium Elite; Hertz President's Circle
Posts: 57
One thing that has me raising my eyebrows a bit is how all of the sudden since the supposed "announcement" a couple of days ago to allows downgrades/refunds for 6, 8 and 1-3 TP holders as well as the elimination of the blackout window we have had radio silence from all of the bloggers. It is ironic since in the days, weeks and months leading up to the 8/18, we had almost daily blog updates with new theories and strategies to maximize value. On the one hand, I can appreciate that they do not want to burn any bridges with their contacts at Marriott - but on the other hand what they have been putting out in recent days is at best a premature half truth and at worst completely false. For better or for worse people are following the advice step by step only to be stonewalled by CSRs.
I am not sure what to believe anymore other than believing that Marriott has been intentionally taking the least customer friendly approach throughout this whole process. Even incompetence does not look this messy.
I am not sure what to believe anymore other than believing that Marriott has been intentionally taking the least customer friendly approach throughout this whole process. Even incompetence does not look this messy.