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davidsc111 Aug 16, 2018 12:12 pm


Originally Posted by bryan995 (Post 30090291)
Yikes, this is news to me, seems like a very strange system. If the hotel is costing 240,000+40,000 for the free night, and the allocation is 135,000, then I suppose I will owe 145,000?

Making this hotel + airline points costing 360,000+145,000? 505,000?

no, that isn't correct. you are entitled to 7 consecutive nights at a current cat 8 (40k) property for the total of 360k points. I would phone it in if what you're seeing isn't that.

nabeelj Aug 16, 2018 12:15 pm


Originally Posted by bryan995 (Post 30090291)
Yikes, this is news to me, seems like a very strange system. If the hotel is costing 240,000+40,000 for the free night, and the allocation is 135,000, then I suppose I will owe 145,000?

Making this hotel + airline points costing 360,000+145,000? 505,000?

I think RedSun is mixing things up. You paid 360K for a 7-night Cat 8 cert plus miles.

You can redeem it for a 7-night stay at a Cat 8, which is something that would have otherwise cost 40K per night with 5th night free (i.e. 240K).

If you attempt to cancel the cert for a points refund, you would receive 135K.

nabeelj Aug 16, 2018 12:18 pm


Originally Posted by RedSun (Post 30090251)
You redeemed 360,000 MRs for a Cat-8 7-night package with airline miles. The main or key component of the travel package is actually the airline miles. The MR cost allocation for the 7-night hotel is only 135,000 MRs. Your certificate is attached to a property that is costing more than the Cat-8 40,000 MRs rate.

You need to get ready to deliver more MR points for the stay. You need to check how much more MR you need, may be 10,000 MR/night to a total of 60,000 MRs or 70,000 MRs. The upgrade does not get the free night. If you do not get the points handy, your reservation will be cancelled and your certificate returned.

The property that his reservation is at is a Cat 8. It says 240K points for a 7-night stay.

dukerau Aug 16, 2018 12:21 pm


Originally Posted by bryan995 (Post 30090291)
Yikes, this is news to me, seems like a very strange system. If the hotel is costing 240,000+40,000 for the free night, and the allocation is 135,000, then I suppose I will owe 145,000?

Making this hotel + airline points costing 360,000+145,000? 505,000?

No. If you redeemed for a cat 8 TP and the certificate is attached to a (current) cat 8 hotel, you should not see a message saying you owe more points. I would call in and straighten it out ASAP with the conversion upcoming.

OssianBlue Aug 16, 2018 12:27 pm


Originally Posted by bryan995 (Post 30090157)
I called in and booked my 7N TP a few days ago. This is what my account shows...Please remember to order e-certificate(s) once you earn the required points.
If you have not earned the required points 10 days prior to your reservation, customer support will contact you to discuss payment options.

Price shows as:
  • 280.32 + 240,000 points
Clicking order reward certificates results in an error ...
Was my TP attached correctly? Or do I need to call in before D-day?


That's the message with no TP attached.

RedSun Aug 16, 2018 12:45 pm


Originally Posted by nabeelj (Post 30090343)
The property that his reservation is at is a Cat 8. It says 240K points for a 7-night stay.

If this is true, then why he is required to deposit more points to complete the reservation??

Clearly he has some certificate attached. And he does not have enough points. The OP is very confused now....

Kingboomer Aug 16, 2018 12:49 pm

Normal transfers
 
Has anyone done the regular MR to MR <50k transfers lately?

OssianBlue Aug 16, 2018 1:12 pm


Originally Posted by RedSun (Post 30090468)
If this is true, then why he is required to deposit more points to complete the reservation??

Clearly he has some certificate attached. And he does not have enough points. The OP is very confused now....

Why would you say this? it is exactly the same language as when nothing is attached to the reservation.

FrustratedinCA Aug 16, 2018 1:14 pm

Not to further complicate matters, but for both a DP and confirmation, here's my situation. Because we're being encouraged to attach our certs, I have a Cat 8 certificate attached to a Cat 8 property that is going up in points after the merge. The email confirmation I received from Marriott shows that the certificate was attached to the reservation properly, and that I only owe the parking and resort fees for the stay (total of $280). However, here is what is posted to my account online:

"

This reservation has e-certificate(s).

Your Reward certificates will be sent to your hotel.
"

So the e-cert is attached, but there is no way to see the value of said e-certificate. No way for me to tell if it was accurately processed. Then it says this (please note I omitted the specific travel dates since I don't post my travel plans online):

"Room Total Summary


35.32 USD Taxes and fees

360,000

Points
  • 1 room(s) for 7 nights


    Prices in USD
  • [TRAVEL DATE 1], 2019
    • 40,000 points
  • [TRAVEL DATE 2], 2019
    • 40,000 points
  • [TRAVEL DATE 3], 2019
    • 40,000 points
  • [TRAVEL DATE 4], 2019
    • 40,000 points
  • [TRAVEL DATE 5], 2019
    • Free Night
  • [TRAVEL DATE 6], 2019
    • 40,000 points
  • [TRAVEL DATE 7], 2019
    • 40,000 points
  • Total points rate
    360,000
  • Resort Fee
    245.00
  • Estimated government taxes and fees
    35.32
  • Total for stay in hotel's currency
    280.32 + 360,000 points

Total for Stay

(All rooms) in local currency

280.32 USD 360,000 Points

Summary of Charges(all rooms)

Subtotal

360,000 Points

Total taxes & fees

280.32 USD

Total for Stay

280.32 USD + 360,000 Points
"

Then it stated my remaining points. Nowhere on the online reservation does it say the value of my certificate, only that I have one. Also, the points rate per night for the hotel clearly equals 240,000 but it is showing the total as 360,000 points, which is the total amount of the certificate. It also doesn't show that those points have already been deducted from my account. Since this is the first TP cert I've purchased, is that normal? It seems unnecessarily confusing, especially given what the previous poster said regarding his or her cert.

I did ask a rep if it was attached properly, and she said it was showing up correctly on her end. But with the misinformation we've been getting, I don't trust Marriott CSRs right now.

RedSun Aug 16, 2018 1:28 pm


Originally Posted by OssianBlue (Post 30090595)
Why would you say this? it is exactly the same language as when nothing is attached to the reservation.


Originally Posted by FrustratedinCA (Post 30090601)
Not to further complicate matters, but for both a DP and confirmation, here's my situation. Because we're being encouraged to attach our certs, I have a Cat 8 certificate attached to a Cat 8 property that is going up in points after the merge. The email confirmation I received from Marriott shows that the certificate was attached to the reservation properly, and that I only owe the parking and resort fees for the stay (total of $280). However, here is what is posted to my account online:

"This reservation has e-certificate(s).

Your Reward certificates will be sent to your hotel.
"

So the e-cert is attached, but there is no way to see the value of said e-certificate. No way for me to tell if it was accurately processed. Then it says this (please note I omitted the specific travel dates since I don't post my travel plans online):"Room Total Summary


35.32 USD Taxes and fees360,000

Points
  • 1 room(s) for 7 nights


    Prices in USD
  • [TRAVEL DATE 1], 2019
    • 40,000 points
  • ...
  • [TRAVEL DATE 7], 2019
    • 40,000 points
  • Total points rate
    360,000
  • Resort Fee
    245.00
  • Estimated government taxes and fees
    35.32
  • Total for stay in hotel's currency
    280.32 + 360,000 points
Total for Stay

(All rooms) in local currency280.32 USD 360,000 Points

Summary of Charges(all rooms)

Subtotal

360,000 Points

Total taxes & fees

280.32 USD

Total for Stay

280.32 USD + 360,000 Points
"

Then it stated my remaining points. Nowhere on the online reservation does it say the value of my certificate, only that I have one. Also, the points rate per night for the hotel clearly equals 240,000 but it is showing the total as 360,000 points, which is the total amount of the certificate. It also doesn't show that those points have already been deducted from my account. Since this is the first TP cert I've purchased, is that normal? It seems unnecessarily confusing, especially given what the previous poster said regarding his or her cert.

I did ask a rep if it was attached properly, and she said it was showing up correctly on her end. But with the misinformation we've been getting, I don't trust Marriott CSRs right now.

OssianBlue, the non-believer, can answer you.... ;)
He won't believe what you just said. He would say the reservation is wrong and your TP is not attached.

OssianBlue Aug 16, 2018 1:33 pm


Originally Posted by RedSun (Post 30090670)
OssianBlue, the non-believer, can answer you.... ;)
He won't believe what you just said.

Um, what? That looks like a correctly applied certificate. Not sure what you are getting at.

FrustratedinCA Aug 16, 2018 1:37 pm


Originally Posted by OssianBlue (Post 30090701)
Um, what? That looks like a correctly applied certificate. Not sure what you are getting at.

Not sure what that point was either. I just wanted to verify it looked as it should, since I've never done this before. Thanks!

OssianBlue Aug 16, 2018 1:41 pm


Originally Posted by FrustratedinCA (Post 30090734)
Not sure what that point was either. I just wanted to verify it looked as it should, since I've never done this before. Thanks!

I'm going to take a guess that your certificate was never downgraded or upgraded. When that happens it turns into a weird one showing partial amounts. For example, here's a booking where I used a former Cat 8 that was downgraded to a 1-5.
  • 1 room(s) for 7 nights
  • Monday,, 2018
    • 25,000 points
  • Tuesday, , 2018
    • 25,000 points
  • Wednesday, , 2018
    • 25,000 points
  • Thursday, , 2018
    • 25,000 points
  • Friday, , 2018
    • Free Night
  • Saturday, , 2018
    • 25,000 points
  • Sunday, , 2018
    • 25,000 points
  • Total points rate
    45,000
  • Estimated government taxes and fees
    Included

RedSun Aug 16, 2018 1:45 pm


Originally Posted by OssianBlue (Post 30090701)
Um, what? That looks like a correctly applied certificate. Not sure what you are getting at.


Originally Posted by FrustratedinCA (Post 30090734)
Not sure what that point was either. I just wanted to verify it looked as it should, since I've never done this before. Thanks!

For a properly attached Cat-8 TP, it should show a total points of 135,000, not 360,000 points. For Cat-9, it should show 165,000 points total.

Both bryan995 and FrustratedinCA's TPs are not attached the regular ways. But it does not say they are wrong, or as OssianBlue said, the TP is not attached.

swag Aug 16, 2018 1:51 pm


Originally Posted by DelAbbot (Post 30087926)
If the old Cat-6 (30K/night) 7 night can only be used for new Cat-4 (25K/night), isn't that an unfair downgrade? Considering all other Cats can be fairly mapped, wouldn't it be fair and Marriott receive less complaints/calls to map old Cat-6 to new Cat-5 (35/night).

Or am I dreaming because I currently hold an unattached old Cat-6 7 night TP?

I think you're right. It seems very likely to me that in cases where there isn't an exact match on point levels in the new program, yes, they will "round up".

And that explains why they're delaying the announcement of the mapping. Since both old cat 6 30K and old cat 7 35K would map to new cat 5 35K, they don't want the current old cat 7 holders calling now to downgrade to old cat 6 to refund the extra points.


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