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RedSun Aug 15, 2018 6:31 pm


Originally Posted by Happy (Post 30087362)
There is NEW DP, see the clarification by the poster - the cert is ATTACHED to the reservation. There is NO ADVANCE of Points.

You can say it is new. But I've seen this a couple of times before.... See my screenshot.

Just add to your edit. I was able to attach my TP to a property which costs more than my TP. But the agent was able to attach the TP and told me that I would need to have the points ready before the cancellation deadline.

Say, the TP is worth 50,000 MR/night and I attached it to a property costing 60,000 MR/night.

Happy Aug 15, 2018 6:42 pm


Originally Posted by cruisr (Post 30087080)


Starwood Lurkers have been very upfront. From the beginning they had advised attaching a certificate to a hotel before August 18 for maximum value. People didn’t want to follow that advise (of course if the dates are not open yet, if you want a former SPG property etc would be exceptions) and even though they know the hotel/dates they are not attaching. Agree, its been a mess but I think Starwood Lurkers have been great, given the circumstances.

In any event some TP holders will be upset, some will not.

The problems are, due to the ultra opaqueness on how the existing certs will convert post merger, as well as how or if, there is any refund on the properties that go down in points per night. not to mention we cannot book SPG properties until Sept 18 - many of us can NOT attach the certs or even know which category of cert to redeem!
For example, what would happen if the current Cat 6 properties will be the new Cat 4, how would I get the 30K extra payment back? No answer. There is no correspondent 30K/night either, now the pts jump from 25K to 35K to 50K versus the sequential 30K incremental increase.

I have to say that by not letting members to up or down grade their certs once the information is finally available for members to make more intelligent decision versus now we are deliberately being kept in the dark, Marriott is hoping to get the biggest breakage from the hotel stay portion of the Travel Package. The real value in the Travel Package, at least in my situation, is the very cheap 7 nights stay. Marriott is playing the dirty game to generate as much breakage as possible.

Happy Aug 15, 2018 6:43 pm


Originally Posted by RedSun (Post 30087367)
You can say it is new. But I've seen this a couple of times before.... See my screenshot.

Your cert is the CORRECT cert that is attached. You are using the cert that is intended for the RC tiers.

The poster's cert is NOT the correct cert to use for the property. His is a current Marriott Cat 8. The property is a RC tiers.

That is the fundamental difference that you have missed.

Since the system allows it to attach - it implies how the Cat 8 will be converted. That is why it is a new DP or a leaked DP.

OssianBlue Aug 15, 2018 6:44 pm


Originally Posted by RedSun (Post 30087367)
You can say it is new. But I've seen this a couple of times before.... See my screenshot.

Your cert is acting as normally. It covers the booking because it is meant to cover the booking and is attached.

The poster has a cert that does NOT cover the booking and yet it too is attached.

RedSun Aug 15, 2018 6:49 pm


Originally Posted by Happy (Post 30087407)
The poster's cert is NOT the correct cert to use for the property. His is a current Marriott Cat 8. The property is a RC tiers.

Since the system allows it to attach - it implies how the Cat 8 will be converted. That is why it is a new DP or a leaked DP.

I do not think there is any leaked info. It is just the CSR who is very liberal. Or she does not know what she is doing.

For my reservation, I had to talk to 3 agents. Only one of them was able to attach the TP. The stay costs more than my TP level.

Here is the extended reservation with pending points required. Look the same to me.

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...53b2d763a3.png

OssianBlue Aug 15, 2018 7:05 pm


Originally Posted by RedSun (Post 30087420)
I do not think there is any leaked info. It is just the CSR who is very liberal. Or she does not know what she is doing.

For my reservation, I had to talk to 3 agents. Only one of them was able to attach the TP. The stay costs more than my TP level.

Here is the extended reservation with pending points required. Look the same to me.

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...53b2d763a3.png


You were describing a Ritz free night, not a TP.

RedSun Aug 15, 2018 7:15 pm


Originally Posted by OssianBlue (Post 30087455)
You were describing a Ritz free night, not a TP.

This is the 7-night TP attached to a reservation early 2019. When I get enough points, I can just click the button to order certificates to complete the reservation. Or I can cancel it and re-attach or whatever it happens.

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...3cff7934d2.png

OssianBlue Aug 15, 2018 7:23 pm


Originally Posted by RedSun (Post 30087493)
This is the 7-night TP attached to a reservation early 2019. When I get enough points, I can just click the button to order certificates to complete the reservation. Or I can cancel it and re-attach or whatever it happens.

No, that's not what it means.

agjil Aug 15, 2018 8:36 pm

As long as a certificate is attached to a reservation, doesn't that mean the reservation is confirmed with no additional points required, even if the category of the certificate is lower than the category of the property?

RedSun Aug 15, 2018 9:06 pm


Originally Posted by agjil (Post 30087721)
As long as a certificate is attached to a reservation, doesn't that mean the reservation is confirmed with no additional points required, even if the category of the certificate is lower than the category of the property?

No. With some cases, the agents allow you to attach TP to higher level booking. Then you need to forward the points or additional certificate before the cancellation deadline.

This is the discussions just above. I do not think this is standard, but case by case.

icebox425 Aug 15, 2018 9:14 pm

I just spoke to AU call centre to try to attach a cert. They said their systems will be back online in 5hrs time (6pm AEST).

Take this with a grain of salt:
- I asked if there was any new info about how my floating Cat 6 Travel Package cert would map over, the CSR said latest info is it will be refunded as points, but couldn't say how many. They didn't hesitate in saying it and sounded confident in their answer....but who knows.

RedSun Aug 15, 2018 9:28 pm


Originally Posted by icebox425 (Post 30087807)
I just spoke to AU call centre to try to attach a cert. They said their systems will be back online in 5hrs time (6pm AEST).

Take this with a grain of salt:
- I asked if there was any new info about how my floating Cat 6 Travel Package cert would map over, the CSR said latest info is it will be refunded as points, but couldn't say how many. They didn't hesitate in saying it and sounded confident in their answer....but who knows.

I feel like the TP thing is like the "Games of the Throne". Two books still not published. The good thing is that we do not have to wait for 10 years....

DaveInLA Aug 15, 2018 9:29 pm


Originally Posted by RedSun (Post 30087788)
No. With some cases, the agents allow you to attach TP to higher level booking. Then you need to forward the points or additional certificate before the cancellation deadline.

This is the discussions just above. I do not think this is standard, but case by case.

Well, if I can do this, that would be awesome. The properties I really want are currently cat 9 and most go to new cat 7. I only had enough points for a cat 8 right now so I bought that and attached it to a cat 8 property (will be cat 6 on 8/18). I don't have the points to upgrade to a cat 9 right now but I will by the time I go on a trip next year.

OssianBlue Aug 15, 2018 9:31 pm

I've got a 1-5 I want to use on a 6 so I am probably going to try this tomorrow.

RedSun Aug 15, 2018 10:05 pm

My take for the entire TP thing is that, the best value for the TPs are the Cat-8 and Cat-9. They are the best resorts where we should spend the consecutive 7 nights. It is harder to find the mid-tier properties to spend the 7 nights at the same place. There are some nice properties in foreign countries, but I do not see myself spending 7 nights in the same city.

So my wish is to get the face value of the TP back. Say, get 30,000/night for Cat-6. Then I can use the points to upgrade my Chase free nights etc. I know I could be dreaming....


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