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Legacy to New Travel Package Conversion (effective August 2019)
A Marriott supervisor can currently convert your legacy travel package into the new category mapping. If you hold a Category 6, 8, or Tier 1-3 legacy certificate, it's ideal to downgrade your certificate before converting so that points don't potentially get lost in the process.
The codes for the new partial packages are:
New Cat 1-4: QP83
New Cat 5: QP91
New Cat 6: QP99
New Cat 7:
The legacy certificates map to the new certificates as such:
Cat 1-5 => Cat 1-4
Cat 6 => Cat 1-4
Cat 7 => Cat 5
Cat 8 => Cat 5
Cat 9 => Cat 6
Tier 1-3 => Cat 6
Tier 4-5 => Cat 7
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If you are unsure where you will use your 7 night stay, when you request the package, just ask for a category 1-5 hotel. That way you are out of the least number of points. If later, you decide to book for a higher level category, then you can do so and pay the difference the travel package points. If you can't use your certificate within the year, then as close to the one year anniversary (without going over!) call to extend the certificate for one more year. That's as long as they will typically allow, one extension. There is an option to expedite the mileage delivery to within three business days (sometimes faster) for $15. There are reports that this fee may be waived for platinum members.
Effective April 1 2017 re: Southwest & the companion pass:
"Purchased points, points converted from hotel and car loyalty programs, and e-Rewards, e-Miles, Valued Opinions and Diners Club, points earned from Rapid Rewards program enrollment, tier bonuses, flight bonuses, and partner bonuses (excluding points bonuses earned on the Rapid Rewards Credit Cards from Chase) do not count toward Companion Pass."
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Can I book SPG properties with my Marriott Travel Package? As of 9/1/2018 apparently not. see https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/30155836-post6529.html
Legacy to New Travel Package Conversion (effective August 2019)
A Marriott supervisor can currently convert your legacy travel package into the new category mapping. If you hold a Category 6, 8, or Tier 1-3 legacy certificate, it's ideal to downgrade your certificate before converting so that points don't potentially get lost in the process.
The codes for the new partial packages are:
New Cat 1-4: QP83
New Cat 5: QP91
New Cat 6: QP99
New Cat 7:
Originally Posted by Marriott Rewards Insider
Members who purchased a Category 6, Category 8 or Tier 1-3 certificate prior to 8/18 are able to request a one-time exchange for a Travel Package one category lower. This process will cancel your current Travel Package, reissue a Travel Package one category lower and result in a refund of 30,000 points to your account. To submit a request, follow these steps:
Source: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/marr...es-update.html
- Select “Packages - Deals” from the “Topic” drop down menu
- Submit your request
Source: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/marr...es-update.html
The legacy certificates map to the new certificates as such:
Cat 1-5 => Cat 1-4
Cat 6 => Cat 1-4
Cat 7 => Cat 5
Cat 8 => Cat 5
Cat 9 => Cat 6
Tier 1-3 => Cat 6
Tier 4-5 => Cat 7
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If you are unsure where you will use your 7 night stay, when you request the package, just ask for a category 1-5 hotel. That way you are out of the least number of points. If later, you decide to book for a higher level category, then you can do so and pay the difference the travel package points. If you can't use your certificate within the year, then as close to the one year anniversary (without going over!) call to extend the certificate for one more year. That's as long as they will typically allow, one extension. There is an option to expedite the mileage delivery to within three business days (sometimes faster) for $15. There are reports that this fee may be waived for platinum members.
Effective April 1 2017 re: Southwest & the companion pass:
"Purchased points, points converted from hotel and car loyalty programs, and e-Rewards, e-Miles, Valued Opinions and Diners Club, points earned from Rapid Rewards program enrollment, tier bonuses, flight bonuses, and partner bonuses (excluding points bonuses earned on the Rapid Rewards Credit Cards from Chase) do not count toward Companion Pass."
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Can I book SPG properties with my Marriott Travel Package? As of 9/1/2018 apparently not. see https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/30155836-post6529.html
Marriott Travel Packages
Aug 10, 2018, 2:25 pm
#4891
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Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: EWR/PHL/BWI
Posts: 4,412
So Marriott really doesn't want to tell us how they are going to handle floating certs from the old travel packages.
I guess if Marriott was going to give out points for floating certs then they would not need to freeze the certs for a month nor allow people to use them after a month.
Now I think it's fairly obvious that the old certs are NOT going to be returned in the form of points, and somehow old certs will be converted to new ones.
I guess if Marriott was going to give out points for floating certs then they would not need to freeze the certs for a month nor allow people to use them after a month.
Now I think it's fairly obvious that the old certs are NOT going to be returned in the form of points, and somehow old certs will be converted to new ones.
If the old hotel certificate is worth 40,000 MR points, it should be worth the same level, or bumped one level up if it is in between. (Cat-6 50k in this case). This is how I read it.
Aug 10, 2018, 2:36 pm
#4893
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: NY, NY
Posts: 695
So Marriott really doesn't want to tell us how they are going to handle floating certs from the old travel packages.
I guess if Marriott was going to give out points for floating certs then they would not need to freeze the certs for a month nor allow people to use them after a month.
Now I think it's fairly obvious that the old certs are NOT going to be returned in the form of points, and somehow old certs will be converted to new ones.
I guess if Marriott was going to give out points for floating certs then they would not need to freeze the certs for a month nor allow people to use them after a month.
Now I think it's fairly obvious that the old certs are NOT going to be returned in the form of points, and somehow old certs will be converted to new ones.
Aug 10, 2018, 2:40 pm
#4894
Join Date: Dec 2017
Posts: 746
I could argue just the opposite: that they are going to convert them into points, but as a way perhaps to level the playing field between those who purchase TP speculatively and those who are refraining for whatever reason, they are instituting a one-month speed bump in redemptions. I truly don't know. I mean, honestly, anything is possible. The 'statement' given to OMAAT is deliberately uninformative, and can be made to mean anything anyone wants, rendering it little more than a Rorschach test of sorts.
"If you are still trying to plan that perfect trip, you can hold onto the certificate and will be able to add it to a reservation starting September 18, 2018."
Aug 10, 2018, 2:43 pm
#4895
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: ATL
Posts: 78
This may be lost in everyone's theorizing, but is anyone else not seeing the option to attach a 7 night certificate on the Marriott award booking page at the moment? I've searched two different cities and not seeing the option to apply my certificate.
Aug 10, 2018, 2:45 pm
#4896
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: TUL
Programs: AA EXP 2MM; Marriott Titanium; Hilton Diamond; Hyatt Explorist; Vistana 5* Elite; Nat'l Exec Elite
Posts: 6,177
This is from a Starwood Lurker on the FT SPG Forum (posted about an hour ago):
How to Use Your Current Travel Package Certificate Prior to 8/18
And duplicated here: How to Use Your Current Travel Package Certificate Prior to 8/18
Aug 10, 2018, 2:46 pm
#4897
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Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: MCI
Programs: AA Gold 1MM, AS MVP, UA Silver, WN A-List, Marriott LT Titanium, HH Diamond
Posts: 52,574
It's clear that they intend to allow legacy certificates to convert to new certificates, but don't have the software ready yet.
I'm not too worried: my Cat 5 will become a future Cat 4, maybe in mid-September, maybe later. The freeze-out period likely means they'll reset expiration dates, probably to 1 year from the date they debug the software and open it up to new-program bookings.
We aren't getting points. If that was the game plan, they'd just issue a points credit on August 19th and be done with it. Wouldn't take difficult-to-write software.
I'm not too worried: my Cat 5 will become a future Cat 4, maybe in mid-September, maybe later. The freeze-out period likely means they'll reset expiration dates, probably to 1 year from the date they debug the software and open it up to new-program bookings.
We aren't getting points. If that was the game plan, they'd just issue a points credit on August 19th and be done with it. Wouldn't take difficult-to-write software.
Aug 10, 2018, 2:46 pm
#4898
Join Date: Jan 2008
Programs: AA Exec Platinum; Marriott Titanium Elite; Hertz President's Circle
Posts: 57
You received a 5-day or 7-day hotel certificate. No matter what changes, you still hold the hotel certificate, no cash, no points. It is super clear to me.
If the old hotel certificate is worth 40,000 MR points, it should be worth the same level, or bumped one level up if it is in between. (Cat-6 50k in this case). This is how I read it.
If the old hotel certificate is worth 40,000 MR points, it should be worth the same level, or bumped one level up if it is in between. (Cat-6 50k in this case). This is how I read it.
The fact of the matter is that Marriott has not issued any official information to anyone via official channels on what will happen to these certs and we are now 8 days away from D-Day (or SPG-Day if you prefer). So if the blackout period does end up being true, what if I am one of those lucky Europeans who takes the entire month of August off and don't look at my email at all during this time? How would you expect me to feel when I come back on Sept 1 ready to book a hotel with my certificate only to be told "no can do - we are in the middle of a month-long blackout period and no redemption allowed!"? Even outside of Europe, this is period for major vacation time before school starts back up - I would not be spending too much time thinking about my unattached TP certs. Keeping in mind that I was not informed of this blackout at any point either on the phone when I obtained the TP cert or in the weeks (or even months) since the original merger date was announced.
Even if we all get blasted with emails today confirming everything as fact, common sense should dictate that you don't inform people 1 week prior.
I truly hope that the Marriott call center agents have access to Red Bull and strong coffee because it is going to be a rough ride for the next few weeks.
Aug 10, 2018, 2:48 pm
#4899
Join Date: Dec 2017
Posts: 746
It's clear that they intend to allow legacy certificates to convert to new certificates, but don't have the software ready yet.
I'm not too worried: my Cat 5 will become a future Cat 4, maybe in mid-September, maybe later. The freeze-out period likely means they'll reset expiration dates, probably to 1 year from the date they debug the software and open it up to new-program bookings.
We aren't getting points. If that was the game plan, they'd just issue a points credit on August 19th and be done with it. Wouldn't take difficult-to-write software.
I'm not too worried: my Cat 5 will become a future Cat 4, maybe in mid-September, maybe later. The freeze-out period likely means they'll reset expiration dates, probably to 1 year from the date they debug the software and open it up to new-program bookings.
We aren't getting points. If that was the game plan, they'd just issue a points credit on August 19th and be done with it. Wouldn't take difficult-to-write software.
And I think this makes a ton of sense from Marriott's perspective, especially considering the number of packages that they have undoubtedly sold in the last couple of months. They're all priced assuming inefficient redemptions and breakage/surrender at default point amount. Bumping the conversion until after the program combination gives them time to get it right after the big work is done.
Aug 10, 2018, 2:51 pm
#4900
Join Date: Dec 2017
Posts: 746
Why? Ok, you come back and have to wait three weeks for a booking at some point in time in the next year. That doesn't seem particularly problematic. The only real issue would be people who were intending on using them at a Starwood property betwen Aug 18 and September 18 or at a Marriott property that is dropping in price during those dates.
Aug 10, 2018, 2:52 pm
#4901
Join Date: Jan 2008
Programs: AA Exec Platinum; Marriott Titanium Elite; Hertz President's Circle
Posts: 57
You may want to reconsider that.
This is from a Starwood Lurker on the FT SPG Forum (posted about an hour ago):
How to Use Your Current Travel Package Certificate Prior to 8/18
And duplicated here: How to Use Your Current Travel Package Certificate Prior to 8/18
This is from a Starwood Lurker on the FT SPG Forum (posted about an hour ago):
How to Use Your Current Travel Package Certificate Prior to 8/18
And duplicated here: How to Use Your Current Travel Package Certificate Prior to 8/18
Aug 10, 2018, 2:54 pm
#4903
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Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Kan@da
Programs: Anything with sweet spots
Posts: 1,790
The Marrmotts have been cowardly cagey, the smart vultures couldn't help but smell that sign of weakness so they cornered the Marmotts in expectation of a meaty dinner.
Aug 10, 2018, 2:56 pm
#4904
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: TUL
Programs: AA EXP 2MM; Marriott Titanium; Hilton Diamond; Hyatt Explorist; Vistana 5* Elite; Nat'l Exec Elite
Posts: 6,177
Aug 10, 2018, 2:56 pm
#4905
Join Date: May 1998
Posts: 6,790
I was finally able to pry/snatch one out of Marriott's stubborn hands thanks to an unsuspecting agent about a week ago (not an MVC member/owner). I felt like a thief when the agent started processing it on the phone 
. That is following many failed attempts in the past.
. That is following many failed attempts in the past.