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Originally Posted by OssianBlue
(Post 30055209)
Note what isn't specified: changing existing instruments once issued. That's not to say they have to treat old cat 6 as new cat 6. But they probably can't do something like force cancel all certificates and deposit 45K back into accounts either.
Originally Posted by sinfonia
(Post 30055227)
Thanks for posting. Do you see a travel package as a benefit or reward? Or do you see it as something more tangible? We receive points for staying, but when we have actually made a purchase with those points, I see them as something more tangible which is now a product, no longer a benefit. My reading of it, anyway. I do not see Marriott changing hotel categories or how they award points the same as changing the rules to an already purchased product.
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Originally Posted by imverge
(Post 30055379)
A company can write whatever they want in their T&C - it doesn't mean it will hold up in a court of law.
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Originally Posted by imverge
(Post 30055379)
A company can write whatever they want in their T&C - it doesn't mean it will hold up in a court of law.
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Remember: "federal preemption under the Airline Deregulation Act"
I think the issue here is a fairly narrow one about the extent to which Marriott is bound to honor actual, awarded vouchers (as opposed to potential awards that may be acquired via points). Airlines wouldn't be able to abrogate either a booked ticket or a voucher issued for some dollar amount for use in future travel. Edit: I'd also point out that the T&C do not explicitly call out awarded instruments and that in the absence of such precise language--and remember that Marriott as the drafter of the contract has the burden to show these would be included. |
Originally Posted by PrivatePilot
(Post 30053146)
So is it confirmed? Cant book any more of these?
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Originally Posted by pharmawalk
(Post 30055638)
I just checked the Marriott site and the travel package link is down.
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Originally Posted by RedSun
(Post 30055645)
I see they are still up.
Edit: seems to be browser-specific for me: chrome, travel packages live; Edge, travel packages dead. |
Originally Posted by pharmawalk
(Post 30055665)
Odd...hmmm
https://www.marriott.com/rewards/usepoints/morepack.mi |
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Originally Posted by sinfonia
(Post 30055227)
Thanks for posting. Do you see a travel package as a benefit or reward? Or do you see it as something more tangible? We receive points for staying, but when we have actually made a purchase with those points, I see them as something more tangible which is now a product, no longer a benefit. My reading of it, anyway. I do not see Marriott changing hotel categories or how they award points the same as changing the rules to an already purchased product.
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Originally Posted by esdot
(Post 30056137)
I see a travel package as a Reward. The terms do, too. Whether a member characterizes a travel package as "something more tangible which is now a product," a certificate is no more than one of "his or her rights, responsibilities, and status in the Rewards Program," defined to be "Rewards", or individually, a "Reward." In sum, any Rewards Program right is defined as a Reward. And "any Reward may be withdrawn, and restrictions on any Reward or reward redemption ("Reward Redemption") may be imposed at any time." Though unnecessary, https://www.marriott.com/rewards/ter...trms.mi#travel specifically identifies "Travel Packages" and states "All Rewards Program Rules apply." Based on the above, any Reward (i.e., any right in the Rewards Program) may be withdrawn at any time. Of course, I am commenting on posts about the terms and conditions governing how Marriott can act, which to me is entirely separate from how Marriott will act.
My prediction - they stay as certs rounded down to the nearest category if the old/new points required don’t match up, and only that difference in points is refunded |
Originally Posted by mahasamatman
(Post 30055502)
I've never heard of a case where it didn't. To my knowledge, the courts have all been pretty consistent in upholding T&C.
How do I know this? Because I've taken one of the companies to court and that is what happened ;) |
Am I able to attach the 7nt cert myself when booking online or do I have to call a rep to attach it?
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Originally Posted by imverge
(Post 30056849)
You haven't heard of it because the company doesn't admit fault and settles so that it doesn't become a matter of public record.
How do I know this? Because I've taken one of the companies to court and that is what happened ;) |
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