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Intl359Widget Jan 27, 2025 5:32 pm


Originally Posted by ElevatorEnthusiast (Post 36847584)
When I look at the Maldives, I see cash rates that make points worth far more than 1-2 cents per point. If the Ritz is 4K USD per night, 198K doesn’t sound like a bad valuation (if the Maldives is something you find desirable). I see plenty of Maldives properties that aren’t the Ritz for 100K or less.

I would be curious to hear of examples that aren’t the Maldives along with the comparison to the average cash rates at these properties.

Edit to Add: I pulled up Tokyo in March, and the points amounts seem about the same, if not less, than what I was seeing last month at top properties.

We recently stayed at the StR Maldives last week and looking at other dates further out in 2025/2026 the rates have doubled which is a major devaluation even though the cash rates have remained relatively flat.

eponymous_coward Jan 27, 2025 6:13 pm

I have bookings for LA and Phoenix coming up. No price increases in the points required. Perhaps this means I should burn, baby, burn before I run into things...

The Narwhal Jan 27, 2025 6:51 pm

Several redemptions I've been considering are actually cheaper today than a few days ago. So it's not across the board. Seems like from the above, it's mostly high end properties that had outsized value and perhaps inflation adjusted for others. I think it's expected that redemption costs would gradually increase over time along with standard inflation in hotel prices. That said, it sucks if you've been waiting to pull the trigger and the price jumps.

Happy Traveling Consultant Jan 27, 2025 7:13 pm


Originally Posted by The Narwhal (Post 36849780)
Several redemptions I've been considering are actually cheaper today than a few days ago. So it's not across the board. Seems like from the above, it's mostly high end properties that had outsized value and perhaps inflation adjusted for others. I think it's expected that redemption costs would gradually increase over time along with standard inflation in hotel prices. That said, it sucks if you've been waiting to pull the trigger and the price jumps.

I'm curious. Where are prices cheaper?

Seriously - every aspirational place I've got booked, have been looking at, and/or have booked in the last few years has gone up.

The St Regis in Florence, the Gritti Palacein Venice, the Ritz in Tokyo, all much higher.
I'd consider my Helsinki booking a bit more out there, not an aspirational property for most people.

hotturnip Jan 27, 2025 7:55 pm


Originally Posted by dw (Post 36849384)
Problem is, Hilton is not immune from this either. A substantial number of Hilton properties just had a roughly 10% increase a few weeks ago.

True. But I found the Hilton increases to be more in line with inflation.

The Narwhal Jan 27, 2025 11:47 pm


Originally Posted by Happy Traveling Consultant (Post 36849828)
I'm curious. Where are prices cheaper?

Seriously - every aspirational place I've got booked, have been looking at, and/or have booked in the last few years has gone up.

The St Regis in Florence, the Gritti Palacein Venice, the Ritz in Tokyo, all much higher.
I'd consider my Helsinki booking a bit more out there, not an aspirational property for most people.

This was for the JW Marriott in Guadalajara - not really an aspirational property but it is a very solid redemption rate.

I double checked redemption rates in Helsinki, as I'll be there in May. The points price has increased a little, although I don't think by more than a thousand or so points per night. That could be related to this, or it's small enough that it's just typical ebb and flow.

beachfan Jan 28, 2025 1:28 am

It seems to be an increase in the category maximum. The rest is likely fluctuation due to dynamic pricing.

80proofGalleyCart Jan 28, 2025 7:39 am


Originally Posted by The Narwhal (Post 36850192)
This was for the JW Marriott in Guadalajara - not really an aspirational property but it is a very solid redemption rate.

I double checked redemption rates in Helsinki, as I'll be there in May. The points price has increased a little, although I don't think by more than a thousand or so points per night. That could be related to this, or it's small enough that it's just typical ebb and flow.

But you are correct. At most properties, whatever award price increase that occurred "overnight" is at most incremental. Haven't seen any "lows" completely vanish except maybe Ritz-Carlton Kyoto's 92k and under rates. I'm sure you can still get it for 98k and probably do better if you wait it out and see... it is, after all Q1 '25.
Ok, someone mentioned RC Tokyo, that does seem to have inched up across the board. Tant pis. I'd rather try Mesm next time I'm in Tokyo anyway.
Trying to deduce a system-wide trend here seems an exercise in guesswork and speculation so property-specific, it seems the threads of those hotels that have shot up drastically would be more appropriate avenues for such a discussion.

pinniped Jan 28, 2025 8:05 am


Originally Posted by eponymous_coward (Post 36849706)
I have bookings for LA and Phoenix coming up. No price increases in the points required. Perhaps this means I should burn, baby, burn before I run into things...

I have some Spring Training nights booked - I also didn't see any changes to my hotels. Looks like this may be something that's hit the top end of the aspirational properties, which still sucks since so many of us like to redeem those awards.

Phoenix in March gives you very nice CPP in the lower/middle brands but it's nothing like redeeming for Maldives.

dw Jan 28, 2025 8:20 am


Originally Posted by pinniped (Post 36850903)
Looks like this may be something that's hit the top end of the aspirational properties, which still sucks since so many of us like to redeem those awards.

Phoenix in March gives you very nice CPP in the lower/middle brands but it's nothing like redeeming for Maldives.

Bonvoy is becoming more like SkyMiles. With SkyMiles, international J is mostly out of reach, but it's really convenient to redeem for domestic flights, especially in Y.

iluvdoco Jan 28, 2025 10:03 am

Some of my local hotels still show good value per point, but wondering if I should just convert all my Marriott points into United Mileage points instead?

escapefromphl Jan 28, 2025 10:09 am


Originally Posted by iluvdoco (Post 36851216)
Some of my local hotels still show good value per point, but wondering if I should just convert all my Marriott points into United Mileage points instead?

No those are just as prone to devaluations, If you have less than a million points its not worth worrying about the lost value, if you have more just make a booking and spend them.

80proofGalleyCart Jan 28, 2025 10:10 am


Originally Posted by iluvdoco (Post 36851216)
Some of my local hotels still show good value per point, but wondering if I should just convert all my Marriott points into United Mileage points instead?

Based on what evidence provided in this thread of any meaningful devaluation to award nights that you should care about -- when you've already noted hotels in your scope haven't budged?

iluvdoco Jan 28, 2025 10:33 am


Originally Posted by 80proofGalleyCart (Post 36851234)
Based on what evidence provided in this thread of any meaningful devaluation to award nights that you should care about -- when you've already noted hotels in your scope haven't budged?

Well I don't just stay at my local hotels. For my planned overseas trips this year, I have noticed devaluations and generally poor points redemptions.

80proofGalleyCart Jan 28, 2025 10:45 am


Originally Posted by iluvdoco (Post 36851275)
Well I don't just stay at my local hotels. For my planned overseas trips this year, I have noticed devaluations and generally poor points redemptions.

So many factors come into play that one couldn't possibly speculate without knowing when/where. Did these points redemptions dramatically increase on the 27th?


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