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-   -   27 Jan : New points devaluation ? (https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/marriott-marriott-bonvoy/2184705-27-jan-new-points-devaluation.html)

Oxon Flyer Jan 27, 2025 8:14 am

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Originally Posted by dw (Post 36848244)
What is the average redemption value (USD per point) that you are seeing under the new award rates? I suspect that this is part of a larger effort by Marriott to realign redemption rates. Dynamic pricing isn’t just going to affect peak periods.

Cash rates are the Euro equivalent to about 500USD, so that's 0.71cpp devalued to 0.64.

donotblink Jan 27, 2025 8:40 am

The goodtime hotel in Miami went from 46,000 points per night and 184,000 points for 5 nights during Art Basel to 280,000 points or 70,000 points per night during the same period of December 2-7th, which is a massive 52.17% increase.

pinniped Jan 27, 2025 8:56 am

Great....the Hiltonification of Marriott. :rolleyes:

At least Hilton's credit card free nights are (mostly) unrestricted free nights (for now, with very limited exceptions). Soon even the Marriott/Ritz 85k FNCs are going to be just enough to cover a midrange Marriott.

Kaloz Jan 27, 2025 9:30 am

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Originally Posted by pinniped (Post 36848403)
Great....the Hiltonification of Marriott. :rolleyes:

At least Hilton's credit card free nights are (mostly) unrestricted free nights (for now, with very limited exceptions). Soon even the Marriott/Ritz 85k FNCs are going to be just enough to cover a midrange Marriott.

Well, outside the US it's even worse. They've introduced a lower tier card with a 35k cert and upgraded the premium CC from 35k to 50k one :rolleyes:

mahasamatman Jan 27, 2025 10:03 am

I have a redemption in the UK that just increased by 8.5% today. Other ones I've been watching (in various locations) haven't changed.

Ken C Jan 27, 2025 10:54 am

This is part of all programs, if you can’t find value…. I’m pretty sure they still have a program which allows you to donate points to charity.

It seems like just yesterday they were hawking discounted gift cards during COVID to save a balance sheet.


billdokes Jan 27, 2025 11:49 am

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Originally Posted by Ken C (Post 36848711)
This is part of all programs, if you can’t find value…. I’m pretty sure they still have a program which allows you to donate points to charity.

It seems like just yesterday they were hawking discounted gift cards during COVID to save a balance sheet.

It's feast or famine in this game...when they need you they need you, when they don't they don't...there were lots of good deals out there from 2008 - 2012!!

One good travel recession and they'll be back for us!

hotturnip Jan 27, 2025 12:29 pm

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Originally Posted by pinniped (Post 36848403)
Great....the Hiltonification of Marriott. :rolleyes:

At least Hilton's credit card free nights are (mostly) unrestricted free nights (for now, with very limited exceptions). Soon even the Marriott/Ritz 85k FNCs are going to be just enough to cover a midrange Marriott.

But Hilton is more generous with handing out points. Marriott is getting to Hilton-level redemption vas without any change in points earning.

Happy Traveling Consultant Jan 27, 2025 2:51 pm

Massive, widespread devaluation
 
Wow, just sad. Bonvoyed again...

Almost booked Masai Mara last Friday for January 2026. It was 720,000 for 5 nights on Friday.

Same dates are now 944,000, a 31% increase in points required.

I've got two other points bookings this year I checked, just for verification that it's across the board.

Heading to St. Regis Maldives in a few weeks. Booked base room for 520,000 points last year. Same room is now 792,000 for January 2026, a staggering 52% increase. Going to the St. George in Helsinki this summer. Booked 2 nights for 86k in peak season. Same rates are now 101,000, "only" a 17% increase.

Verification of the need to churn and burn points, but this is ridiculous. Honestly done with Marriott from a points perspective - when my current points are gone, so am I. Was literally about to get the Chase Boundless card this week. Not now.

phant0m Jan 27, 2025 3:01 pm

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Originally Posted by hotturnip (Post 36848952)
But Hilton is more generous with handing out points. Marriott is getting to Hilton-level redemption vas without any change in points earning.

Yup you can earn Hilton points fast.

I hope no one pre-emptively transferred points to Marriott with the Amex/Chase bonuses. I find myself staying less and less at Marriott with their games. Didn't even bother to quality for Titanium again since I never even got any benefit out of it.

I can barely find Ritz/St. Regis/Luxury Collection hotels to even spend my 85k certs on now. Majority of them are 100k + so can't even pay the difference with points since it's capped at 15k. I have the Ritz and the Brillant card so might cancel one this year.

Happy Traveling Consultant Jan 27, 2025 3:02 pm

Missed this thread and accidentally started a new one, so sorry about that if you are a mod...

Bonvoyed again - this is worst for aspirational properties it looks like. Maldives or Masai Mara? Massive devaluation. Less on the radar lower - here are the three I checked based on current bookings/bookings that now won't happen.

Almost booked Masai Mara last Friday for January 2026. It was 720,000 for 5 nights on Friday.

Same dates are now 944,000, a 31% increase in points required.

I've got two other points bookings this year I checked, just for verification that it's across the board.

Heading to St. Regis Maldives in a few weeks. Booked base room for 520,000 points last year. Same room is now 792,000 for January 2026, a staggering 52% increase. Going to the St. George in Helsinki this summer. Booked 2 nights for 86k in peak season. Same rates are now 101,000, "only" a 17% increase.

Verification of the need to churn and burn points, but this is ridiculous. Honestly done with Marriott from a points perspective - when my current points are gone, so am I. Was literally about to get the Chase Boundless card this week. Not now. Will just wait for an elevated Hilton offer.

phant0m Jan 27, 2025 3:10 pm

Have a 1 night stay at Ritz Laguna. Booked it at 89k. It is now 97k so 9% increase.

dw Jan 27, 2025 3:22 pm

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Originally Posted by Happy Traveling Consultant (Post 36849342)
Was literally about to get the Chase Boundless card this week. Not now. Will just wait for an elevated Hilton offer.

Problem is, Hilton is not immune from this either. A substantial number of Hilton properties just had a roughly 10% increase a few weeks ago.

quinella66 Jan 27, 2025 4:30 pm

I have three points bookings out there in Cayman Islands and Dominican Republic. All have gone up slightly since I booked a couple months ago - none more than about 5%.

I am not a fan of dynamic pricing for obvious reasons, but one thing you can do is watch your bookings every month or so and often you can rebook for less. Have done that a few times in the past (with other reservations). I usually do this when I have enough points to make the new (lower points) booking before canceling the old.

dw Jan 27, 2025 5:22 pm

This all actually makes the new Pay Yourself Back option on the Bonvoy Bold card, at $0.008/point, more appealing.


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