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c001lh202 Jun 8, 2019 4:54 am

Would I be able to use MTP on a triple room i.e. three separate single bed if the property offers such rooms?

myperks Jun 8, 2019 5:05 am


Originally Posted by c001lh202 (Post 31182266)
Would I be able to use MTP on a triple room i.e. three separate single bed if the property offers such rooms?

only if that room is also offered as a standard point redemption room.

helvetic Jun 8, 2019 9:22 pm


Originally Posted by craigthemif (Post 31182252)
Based on the substantial number of people who either need to extend certificates another year or use them for less than a week, "actually going to be staying a week" is much harder than it sounds. Miles are also relatively easier to accumulate than Marriott points.

It's hard to boil down to mathematics because each individual has his/her own requirements, but I suspect people are broadly better off with 5th-night free stays (optimal 20% discount) and/or simply using points on award nights they truly need. (and would otherwise pay cash for)

I don't disagree. I'm currently staying one hotel in Hong Kong for 9 nights which is longer than I've pretty much ever stayed anywhere. I'm usually somewhere up to 4 nights max.

Counsellor Jun 9, 2019 1:38 am


Originally Posted by helvetic (Post 31172233)
I would still consider buying one of the lower category TP. 100k miles would normally cost 240k points. So for 90k more you get 6*25k = 150k of value more, for 150k more you get 6*35k = 210k of value etc. Seems like doing the TP now basically gets you 60k of value at these levels.

For each category, I calculate the following savings:

Cat 4 -> 60k
Cat 5 -> 60k
Cat 6 -> 30k
Cat 7 -> 30k
Cat 8 -> 0

So… if you're actually going to be staying a week and need miles, you can get a small benefit from the package up to Cat 7. At Cat 8, you'd be stupid to do it. And really it rather rarely makes sense.

True, but even the 60k benefit calculation presumes the conversion rate of 100K miles for 240K points is appropriate for you. If the points cost/are worth a penny apiece, that values miles at 2.4 cents each and even in pre-devaluation times the rule of thumb seemed to be that miles were worth around 2 cents per point. Now that United is joining Delta in the "no set redemption value, just charge what the market will bear" practice one wonders what valuation can be set for even United miles. Will they follow Delta's Skypesos drop to a penny a mile? If so, exchanging 240K points (also worth about a penny apiece) for only 100K miles makes no sense (or cents) at all (unless, of course, that's the only game in town for getting miles).

helvetic Jun 9, 2019 8:55 pm


Originally Posted by Counsellor (Post 31184484)
True, but even the 60k benefit calculation presumes the conversion rate of 100K miles for 240K points is appropriate for you. If the points cost/are worth a penny apiece, that values miles at 2.4 cents each and even in pre-devaluation times the rule of thumb seemed to be that miles were worth around 2 cents per point. Now that United is joining Delta in the "no set redemption value, just charge what the market will bear" practice one wonders what valuation can be set for even United miles. Will they follow Delta's Skypesos drop to a penny a mile? If so, exchanging 240K points (also worth about a penny apiece) for only 100K miles makes no sense (or cents) at all (unless, of course, that's the only game in town for getting miles).

You'd probably be transferring to Alaska, AA, or one of the foreign airlines with a great program. I find 240->100 point to miles to be good value, and have done this transfer many times. I don't find Marriott points crazy valuable otherwise, certainly not for stay redemptions.

potm Jun 9, 2019 10:41 pm

Whether it is worth it now depends on each person's individual circumstances and needs.
We can all agree that the old travel packages provided a lot better value, which is why there was a lot more of them redeemed.

nufnuf77 Jun 9, 2019 10:50 pm


Originally Posted by helvetic (Post 31187030)
You'd probably be transferring to Alaska, AA, or one of the foreign airlines with a great program. I find 240->100 point to miles to be good value, and have done this transfer many times. I don't find Marriott points crazy valuable otherwise, certainly not for stay redemptions.

Agreed, I find A3 the best for getting miles from Marriott as you can't easily earn these super flexible *A miles and with LHR-SIN for 75k in the F suite, I cant find a better value!

helvetic Jun 10, 2019 2:22 am


Originally Posted by nufnuf77 (Post 31187200)
Agreed, I find A3 the best for getting miles from Marriott as you can't easily earn these super flexible *A miles and with LHR-SIN for 75k in the F suite, I cant find a better value!

SQ Suites? They don't make those available to parters so you couldn't use A3 miles for that.

nufnuf77 Jun 10, 2019 2:35 am


Originally Posted by helvetic (Post 31187513)
SQ Suites? They don't make those available to parters so you couldn't use A3 miles for that.

All this saving for nothing then? :(

helvetic Jun 10, 2019 3:24 am


Originally Posted by nufnuf77 (Post 31187537)
All this saving for nothing then? :(

Well, not nothing, plenty of other good Star first redemptions. You can fly LH F LHR->SIN which is just as good. TG F isn't half bad either.A little less good but by no means bad are NH and OZ.

potm Jun 10, 2019 7:14 am


Originally Posted by helvetic (Post 31187606)
Well, not nothing, plenty of other good Star first redemptions. You can fly LH F LHR->SIN which is just as good. TG F isn't half bad either.A little less good but by no means bad are NH and OZ.

OZ is ending first class in a few months.
LH F is close in availability only.
TG availability has been greatly reduced recently.
NH is probably the easiest to book.

We are digressing though.

extremeromance Jun 11, 2019 11:31 pm

The more I read this thread the more confused I get.

I have the following old packages that are expiring within a month that I need to convert to extend the expiration date

P830
P870
P990

So it looks like the P990 will convert to QP99, however I am a little confused on the P830 and P870, according to the wiki they should convert to QP83 and QP87 respectively however I see people mentioning at least trying to convert the P870 to QP91 instead. Can someone shed some light?

potm Jun 12, 2019 3:37 am


Originally Posted by extremeromance (Post 31194082)
The more I read this thread the more confused I get.

I have the following old packages that are expiring within a month that I need to convert to extend the expiration date

P830
P870
P990

So it looks like the P990 will convert to QP99, however I am a little confused on the P830 and P870, according to the wiki they should convert to QP83 and QP87 respectively however I see people mentioning at least trying to convert the P870 to QP91 instead. Can someone shed some light?

People are attempting to upgrade their certificates to higher categories which Marriott does not allow any longer. Some people are able to convince agents to do it for them though.

If you are happy to convert to the equivalent categories, then it is no issue. For your P870, ask for it to be converted to QP83 instead of QP87. You will get a 30k point refund. The old cat 6 is in between the new cat 4 and cat 5 so does not have an equivalent. Instead you get downgraded and a points refund.

dhacker Jun 13, 2019 4:16 pm

I have two of the old certs for old cat 1-5 (5 night version) that expire in the next month or two. A couple of questions:

- Does converting to the new cat 1-4 certs still extend them for a year?
- Is is crazy to use one for a stay at a new cat 3 that is only charging $100/night during my stay? I also have a free timeshare exchange week to burn and I don't know when I'll have a chance to use all these stays. And, even if it's not the best use, $500 in my pocket is still $500 in my pocket.

skimthetrees Jun 13, 2019 5:24 pm


Originally Posted by dhacker (Post 31200441)
I have two of the old certs for old cat 1-5 (5 night version) that expire in the next month or two. A couple of questions:

- Does converting to the new cat 1-4 certs still extend them for a year?
- Is is crazy to use one for a stay at a new cat 3 that is only charging $100/night during my stay? I also have a free timeshare exchange week to burn and I don't know when I'll have a chance to use all these stays. And, even if it's not the best use, $500 in my pocket is still $500 in my pocket.

- Yes
- $500 in your pocket is better than 0 for sure.


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