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gregorius Apr 28, 2020 4:42 am


Originally Posted by TTT103 (Post 32329909)
...a hard pull would result in 5/24.

Assuming you are referring to Chase's 5/24 rule...

5/24 pertains with new credit card accounts. An inquiry (especially one for a CLI on an existing account) is not a new account and has no impact on Chase's 5/24. There are plenty of reasons to minimize HPs, but this is not one of them.

radonc1 Apr 28, 2020 5:35 am


Originally Posted by littlewinglet (Post 32329939)
I did solid MS on my DC card for about 4 years, usually 2-3x the limit. A few months ago BAM!, one day declined at Simon mall and all my Shiti cards shut down. You just never know, it can work for ages and then some amount triggers their review. Always be prepared to get shut down and not to worry about it. My new strategy with 2x MS is to have 4-5 cards and do less on each one. Less to lose during shutdown, and less hammering of each one per month.

So Citi shut you down but your new strategy is to have 4-5 new cards but use them less often.

Are you getting new Citi cards or are you moving to a new vendor? I presume the latter? What card are you going to get and how do you get 5 of them?

TTT103 Apr 28, 2020 7:01 am


Originally Posted by gregorius (Post 32330794)
Assuming you are referring to Chase's 5/24 rule...

5/24 pertains with new credit card accounts. An inquiry (especially one for a CLI on an existing account) is not a new account and has no impact on Chase's 5/24. There are plenty of reasons to minimize HPs, but this is not one of them.

That's good to know. I assumed that any credit card hard pull would count towards my 5/24. Thank you

littlewinglet Apr 28, 2020 9:46 am


Originally Posted by radonc1 (Post 32330890)
So Citi shut you down but your new strategy is to have 4-5 new cards but use them less often.

Are you getting new Citi cards or are you moving to a new vendor? I presume the latter? What card are you going to get and how do you get 5 of them?

I'm not going to bother with Citi cards for a very long time. The only useful churning was for AA miles, but the mailer gravy train is over, and 48 months is a long time to wait between 50k-60k bonuses.

I only do ongoing MS with either 3x (discover 12-mo promo), or a stable of 2x cards. There are tons of 2% cards out there. I have two from my local credit unions, Fidelity, Paypal 2%, Pen-fed, and there are a bunch of others available nationwide that I haven't yet bothered with. If I put 10-15k on each at most, it won't be as obvious.

danhouston Apr 29, 2020 11:32 am


Originally Posted by littlewinglet (Post 32331531)
I'm not going to bother with Citi cards for a very long time. The only useful churning was for AA miles, but the mailer gravy train is over, and 48 months is a long time to wait between 50k-60k bonuses.

I only do ongoing MS with either 3x (discover 12-mo promo), or a stable of 2x cards. There are tons of 2% cards out there. I have two from my local credit unions, Fidelity, Paypal 2%, Pen-fed, and there are a bunch of others available nationwide that I haven't yet bothered with. If I put 10-15k on each at most, it won't be as obvious.

which penfed cc offers 2%? thx

littlewinglet Apr 29, 2020 12:27 pm


Originally Posted by danhouston (Post 32334845)
which penfed cc offers 2%? thx

Power cash rewards. You have to open the Access America checking (and keep $500) or have military service to qualify for 2%.

worldtraveler303 Apr 29, 2020 4:14 pm

Shutdown by B@rcly
4 accounts - avtr x 2, wydm x 1, jtblu x 1
got greedy... BP multiple times, missed a payment and asked for a waived interest charge.. probably put me on the radar
Was hitting it hard because of anxiety of liquidation options getting pulled
avtr - 40-50K/each x 3 yrs; jtblu x 50K x 2 years, wydm - rarely used
Waiting on the letter for the "specific reason"
Of note.. avtr biz and hawaii biz still active

1) think they will shut my biz account down?
2) people seem to say 6 months rather than lifetime.. any data points?
3) has anyone every gotten them to reconsider?... probably based on my behavior.. I should move on.. but they did make a lot of money off me

TTT103 Apr 30, 2020 9:38 am

Citi phoned me this morning to tell me that my account has been placed on a 30 day watch due to four gift card purchases ($2,000). I am not to purchase any more gift cards. I guess that Citi is now pulling level 3 data. They indicated that they have a heightened level of security due to recent Coronavirus fraud. Well, that didn't last long for me. Good grief!

FrankMS Apr 30, 2020 11:03 am


Originally Posted by TTT103 (Post 32337707)
Citi phoned me this morning to tell me that my account has been placed on a 30 day watch due to four gift card purchases ($2,000). I am not to purchase any more gift cards. I guess that Citi is now pulling level 3 data. They indicated that they have a heightened level of security due to recent Coronavirus fraud. Well, that didn't last long for me. Good grief!

Where did you purchase the gift cards?

danpeake Apr 30, 2020 11:13 am


Originally Posted by TTT103 (Post 32337707)
Citi phoned me this morning to tell me that my account has been placed on a 30 day watch due to four gift card purchases ($2,000). I am not to purchase any more gift cards. I guess that Citi is now pulling level 3 data. They indicated that they have a heightened level of security due to recent Coronavirus fraud. Well, that didn't last long for me. Good grief!


Originally Posted by FrankMS (Post 32337971)
Where did you purchase the gift cards?

And were the four purchased all in one transaction?

TTT103 Apr 30, 2020 11:53 am

I purchased two $500 GC's at Walmart along with about $50 in misc. items. The other two $500's were purchased at my local grocery store along with $175 in groceries.

BTW, the representative was not from their fraud department. She did say the name of her department, but I don't recall. It was something like Level 1 Management.

radonc1 Apr 30, 2020 1:42 pm

Well....

I guess if Amex could pull level 3 data, why not Citi.

I wonder when the Chase axe will fall :confused:

msp3 May 2, 2020 2:56 am


Originally Posted by worldtraveler303 (Post 32335708)
got greedy... BP multiple times, missed a payment and asked for a waived interest charge.. probably put me on the radar

I'm properly scared now, exactly what I've done in the past few months except my volume is 2k every other month at the most 10k credit line across cards no cycling so I'm very small time...

radonc1 May 2, 2020 5:32 am


Originally Posted by msp3 (Post 32342554)
I'm properly scared now, exactly what I've done in the past few months except my volume is 2k every other month at the most 10k credit line across cards no cycling so I'm very small time...

Missing a payment definitely puts your account on the bank's radar, since your account now becomes a potential liability.

And at this time of financial turbulence, any liability on a bank's financial statement will be scrutinized by the bank's credit department and ultimately by federal regulators.

Missing a payment is a big faux pas. Better to just make the minimum payment on the credit balance and eat the interest payments than put rats eyes on a delinquent account.

MaxVO May 2, 2020 12:20 pm


Originally Posted by radonc1 (Post 32342729)
...Missing a payment is a big faux pas. Better to just make the minimum payment on the credit balance and eat the interest payments than put rats eyes on a delinquent account.

Banks will consider account delinquent if a payment is 30+ days past due, and there's no response to a reminder. The issue here is the risk that routine human intervention may lead to their discovery that account is unprofitable.


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