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Feb 23, 2015, 7:35 pm
#121
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Madison, WI, USA
Posts: 14,162
Words only mean what you want them to. To me, you implied you have no guilt or moral issue with what you do.
You can take less than $20 worth of value from someone and they are unable to sue you. Just because you have no legal repercussions from these actions, doesn't make it any less stealing.
You're still a thief, and so am I! You're proving my point though that MSers rationalize their stealing and try to push ethical rules on each other.
You can take less than $20 worth of value from someone and they are unable to sue you. Just because you have no legal repercussions from these actions, doesn't make it any less stealing.
You're still a thief, and so am I! You're proving my point though that MSers rationalize their stealing and try to push ethical rules on each other.
Feb 23, 2015, 8:09 pm
#123
Join Date: May 2014
Posts: 19
Words mean what they mean.
Your problem is that you are assuming that there is only one concept of right and wrong, and that what you believe is right and wrong should apply to everyone. This is the sort of thinking leads to abominations like organized religion.
In the real world, people may have differing opinions on whether an action is right or wrong. This is specifically why we have codified laws. If everyone agreed on these concepts, we'd just need one law that said "don't do anything wrong".
You can believe that certain actions are right or wrong all that you want; just don't expect everyone else in the world to agree with you.
Your problem is that you are assuming that there is only one concept of right and wrong, and that what you believe is right and wrong should apply to everyone. This is the sort of thinking leads to abominations like organized religion.
In the real world, people may have differing opinions on whether an action is right or wrong. This is specifically why we have codified laws. If everyone agreed on these concepts, we'd just need one law that said "don't do anything wrong".
You can believe that certain actions are right or wrong all that you want; just don't expect everyone else in the world to agree with you.
And I don't know if you noticed it or not, but you're basically totally agreeing with me. Aside from the "thief," label, you're completely agreeing that members here have no place dictating how to manage, distribute or disclose any opportunities they or others find. They also have no place telling others to or not to do it.
So we actually agree. I'm okay with that.
Feb 23, 2015, 8:21 pm
#124
Join Date: May 2014
Posts: 19
Here is the requested dictionary attack:
Courtesy of google.com:
steal -
1. take (another person's property) without permission or legal right and without intending to return it.
2. move somewhere quietly or surreptitiously.
Definition 2 is vague enough to use on your grandmother going to the bathroom.
Courtesy of google.com:
criminal -
1. a person who has committed a crime.
Naturally we must extend this with "crime's" definition.
crime -
1. an action or omission that constitutes an offense that may be prosecuted by the state and is punishable by law.
2. illegal activities.
3. an action or activity that, although not illegal, is considered to be evil, shameful, or wrong.
Definition 3 is vague and inclusive enough to incriminate your grandmother for diarrhea as long as she is ashamed of it.
Words only mean what you want them to. They are a protocol. If you want to ignore the dictionary representations of words, as you just did, and as I did earlier, that is a choice.
steal -
1. take (another person's property) without permission or legal right and without intending to return it.
2. move somewhere quietly or surreptitiously.
Definition 2 is vague enough to use on your grandmother going to the bathroom.
criminal -
1. a person who has committed a crime.
Naturally we must extend this with "crime's" definition.
crime -
1. an action or omission that constitutes an offense that may be prosecuted by the state and is punishable by law.
2. illegal activities.
3. an action or activity that, although not illegal, is considered to be evil, shameful, or wrong.
Definition 3 is vague and inclusive enough to incriminate your grandmother for diarrhea as long as she is ashamed of it.
Words only mean what you want them to. They are a protocol. If you want to ignore the dictionary representations of words, as you just did, and as I did earlier, that is a choice.
Feb 23, 2015, 8:22 pm
#125
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Oct 2014
Posts: 10,904
No, your problem is that you're assuming I assumed anything about right or wrong. Pay attention, I never even used the word "right" or "wrong."
And I don't know if you noticed it or not, but you're basically totally agreeing with me. Aside from the "thief," label, you're completely agreeing that members here have no place dictating how to manage, distribute or disclose any opportunities they or others find. They also have no place telling others to or not to do it.
So we actually agree. I'm okay with that.
And I don't know if you noticed it or not, but you're basically totally agreeing with me. Aside from the "thief," label, you're completely agreeing that members here have no place dictating how to manage, distribute or disclose any opportunities they or others find. They also have no place telling others to or not to do it.
So we actually agree. I'm okay with that.
You compared MS to taking a $20 bill out of someone's wallet.
You conflated something being illegal with there being legal ramifications for doing it.
We are not agreeing.
Feb 23, 2015, 8:29 pm
#126
Join Date: May 2014
Posts: 19
MSing is exactly taking money out of other people's pockets, usually companies'. And according to recent law, companies are people too.
Again, I never said anything about MSing being legal or illegal. I did not even mention legality.
Agree with me yet?
Feb 23, 2015, 8:44 pm
#127
Join Date: Apr 2014
Posts: 1,273
Here is the requested dictionary attack:
Courtesy of google.com:
steal -
1. take (another person's property) without permission or legal right and without intending to return it.
2. move somewhere quietly or surreptitiously.
Definition 2 is vague enough to use on your grandmother going to the bathroom.
Courtesy of google.com:
criminal -
1. a person who has committed a crime.
Naturally we must extend this with "crime's" definition.
crime -
1. an action or omission that constitutes an offense that may be prosecuted by the state and is punishable by law.
2. illegal activities.
3. an action or activity that, although not illegal, is considered to be evil, shameful, or wrong.
Definition 3 is vague and inclusive enough to incriminate your grandmother for diarrhea as long as she is ashamed of it.
Words only mean what you want them to. They are a protocol. If you want to ignore the dictionary representations of words, as you just did, and as I did earlier, that is a choice.
Courtesy of google.com:
steal -
1. take (another person's property) without permission or legal right and without intending to return it.
2. move somewhere quietly or surreptitiously.
Definition 2 is vague enough to use on your grandmother going to the bathroom.
Courtesy of google.com:
criminal -
1. a person who has committed a crime.
Naturally we must extend this with "crime's" definition.
crime -
1. an action or omission that constitutes an offense that may be prosecuted by the state and is punishable by law.
2. illegal activities.
3. an action or activity that, although not illegal, is considered to be evil, shameful, or wrong.
Definition 3 is vague and inclusive enough to incriminate your grandmother for diarrhea as long as she is ashamed of it.
Words only mean what you want them to. They are a protocol. If you want to ignore the dictionary representations of words, as you just did, and as I did earlier, that is a choice.
Feb 23, 2015, 8:56 pm
#128
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Oct 2014
Posts: 10,904
The word "criminal" strongly implies that the action is illegal.
I don't view MS as the same as stealing, and I certainly don't view it as criminal.
If you are going to re-define words to mean something other than what everyone else means when they use the same words, then it's impossible to agree or disagree with you, since no one other than you has any clue what you mean.
Feb 23, 2015, 9:07 pm
#129
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Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Madison, WI, USA
Posts: 14,162
Feb 23, 2015, 9:07 pm
#130
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Join Date: Oct 2014
Posts: 10,904
Please explain how MSing is moving somewhere (either quietly or surreptitiously). Do you even understand what that definition means? It refers to someone who is (literally) sneaking around, and it is not commonly used any more. Someone who "steals" by that definition is not a thief. It has to do with the manner in which someone moves, and has absolutely nothing to do with taking something that is not yours.
Feb 23, 2015, 9:09 pm
#131
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Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Madison, WI, USA
Posts: 14,162
My post above declares the definitions and confirms I'm using the words within those confines.
MSing is exactly taking money out of other people's pockets, usually companies'. And according to recent law, companies are people too.
Again, I never said anything about MSing being legal or illegal. I did not even mention legality.
Agree with me yet?
MSing is exactly taking money out of other people's pockets, usually companies'. And according to recent law, companies are people too.
Again, I never said anything about MSing being legal or illegal. I did not even mention legality.
Agree with me yet?
Feb 23, 2015, 10:19 pm
#133
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 232
you think that was random? along with the thread burying effort a few days ago?
that's precisely what he was sent here to do by them "MS Top Dawgs" lol I really dunno why folks take trolls so seriously.
Operation Distract & Confuse and as Bush woulda said Mission Accomplished
that's precisely what he was sent here to do by them "MS Top Dawgs" lol I really dunno why folks take trolls so seriously.
Operation Distract & Confuse and as Bush woulda said Mission Accomplished
Feb 23, 2015, 10:22 pm
#134
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: DCA/IAD
Programs: AA plat, SPG gold
Posts: 721