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LA2NYC Jan 15, 2014 2:17 pm


Originally Posted by lad2 (Post 22161360)
Not neccessay...

So what do you think the cause was?

lad2 Jan 15, 2014 2:21 pm


Originally Posted by LA2NYC (Post 22161437)
So what do you think the cause was?

It could be random and a combination of things, but not because of using the same IP number base on my personal experience.

ericdabbs Jan 15, 2014 4:13 pm


Originally Posted by LA2NYC (Post 22161252)
That'll do it...


Originally Posted by LA2NYC (Post 22161437)
So what do you think the cause was?

I think its silly to assume having the same IP is the cause for issue. Lets say you are living in a house with a few of your buddies and of course one of the guys is the owner of the house and you pay your rent via AP. Of course since you are in the same house you will have the same IP address when sending money at your house.

What I think the problem that people do with AP to get in trouble is do the following for example:
A sends 1K -> B sends 1K -> C sends 1K -> Person A

Even though that sounds great to show that you are just not sending your money to one person, the problem is that each person sends the same stinking amount every single time. What I do with my bro is that (even though we don't have same IPs) since he lives elsewhere is that we send each other different amounts each transaction so it doesn't look obvious. Its more believable when everyone doesn't send the same amount because if you truly are paying for Goods/Services then the chances is that not everyone would sending the same amount month after month after month.

tomcanada22 Jan 15, 2014 8:43 pm


Originally Posted by quikie (Post 22160999)
They are really strict now. The new accounts I opened using my family members and their bank accounts and it looks completely legit however the payments fail and they send an email say we detected multiple accounts... game over.


Could you provide more data as everything here seems ok with me:confused:

mrx900 Jan 15, 2014 8:45 pm


Originally Posted by tomcanada22 (Post 22163532)
Could you provide more data as everything here seems ok with me:confused:

I think the OP may have used the same credit card for multiple accounts, which I have found is a no-no. (unless someone has had a difft experience)

tomcanada22 Jan 15, 2014 8:47 pm


Originally Posted by ericdabbs (Post 22162150)
I think its silly to assume having the same IP is the cause for issue. Lets say you are living in a house with a few of your buddies and of course one of the guys is the owner of the house and you pay your rent via AP. Of course since you are in the same house you will have the same IP address when sending money at your house.

What I think the problem that people do with AP to get in trouble is do the following for example:
A sends 1K -> B sends 1K -> C sends 1K -> Person A

Even though that sounds great to show that you are just not sending your money to one person, the problem is that each person sends the same stinking amount every single time. What I do with my bro is that (even though we don't have same IPs) since he lives elsewhere is that we send each other different amounts each transaction so it doesn't look obvious. Its more believable when everyone doesn't send the same amount because if you truly are paying for Goods/Services then the chances is that not everyone would sending the same amount month after month after month.



Not completely sure of this as I've only read shut downs for A>B>A but not for adding an extra player in the mix as there is no direct back and forth sending. In fact most here recommend what you had posted, A>B>C>A
Maybe I missed something?

Flyfromscratch Jan 16, 2014 9:51 am

i have been doing A>B>A for last 3-4 months, but I think very soon I will get shutdown.. Need to get a C in the mix, before it all comes crashing down on me..

MaineCoon Jan 16, 2014 11:47 am


Originally Posted by mrx900 (Post 22163539)
I think the OP may have used the same credit card for multiple accounts, which I have found is a no-no. (unless someone has had a difft experience)

Confirmed. Got account shut down after using the same CC.

f0xx Jan 16, 2014 11:56 am


Originally Posted by MaineCoon (Post 22167156)
Confirmed. Got account shut down after using the same CC.

Not confirmed. I've used the same card over 5 accounts and no shut down.

:rolleyes:
I swear... People and their "confirming". All you've "confirmed" is that you're taking your own experience and trying to apply that it's happening to everyone.

TMKTakot Jan 16, 2014 11:57 am

Any insight into whether A -> B -> C -> D where A & C are person 1 (different e-mail/CC/etc, same SSN) and B & D are person 2 works? Further, has anyone tried that with a closed loop (D -> A)?

lad2 Jan 16, 2014 12:01 pm


Originally Posted by f0xx (Post 22167202)
Not confirmed. I've used the same card over 5 accounts and no shut down.

Is that the same card number or is it the same biz CC account which could have different numbers for employee cards?
Also are the five accounts all active and the same CC number used all at the same time? Thx.

WhateverDude Jan 16, 2014 12:21 pm


Originally Posted by nas6034 (Post 22124173)
How does the BofA Alaska card treat this? credit charge or cash advance when using good/services?

Like a baby treats a diaper.

MaineCoon Jan 16, 2014 1:57 pm


Originally Posted by f0xx (Post 22167202)
Not confirmed. I've used the same card over 5 accounts and no shut down.

:rolleyes:
I swear... People and their "confirming". All you've "confirmed" is that you're taking your own experience and trying to apply that it's happening to everyone.

It happened to me, yes, and that's the reason.

No need to swear, swear somewhere else please.

kcblakely Jan 16, 2014 2:15 pm


Originally Posted by f0xx (Post 22167202)
Not confirmed. I've used the same card over 5 accounts and no shut down.

:rolleyes:
I swear... People and their "confirming". All you've "confirmed" is that you're taking your own experience and trying to apply that it's happening to everyone.

I think the learning point here is that AP's response to user activities is not totally algorithmic. There must be some non-deterministic human involvement; thus a particular behavior gets user A shut down but not user B.

That said, it seems self-evidently risky to have several accounts that overlap any more than they absolutely have to. You have to use the same name, address, SSN; why use the same bank account / CC as well?

maddie5218 Jan 16, 2014 10:52 pm

can't receive money through amazon payments?
 
so I sent $1k to somebody via amazon payments yesterday. Today, my friend was trying to send me money as well and she said it said I couldn't receive the money for some reason. I know that there's a limit on sending money for AP at $1000/month without a charge, but is there some kind of limit that would affect my friend from sending me money?


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