Help Understanding PartnerPlusBenefit
Nov 19, 2008, 10:59 am
#16
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: BOM-SIN-EWR
Programs: UA*G (1K again), Sixt Plat, *was*: SQ QPP01 & SK EBS/EBG, LH SEN, AA EXP, 9wPlat
Posts: 8,606
Time to actively protest in writing, or just protest with our wallets?
I find LH's prices ex-India substantially higher than most other carriers in Y...
I find LH's prices ex-India substantially higher than most other carriers in Y...
Nov 19, 2008, 12:37 pm
#19
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: OSL/IAH/ZRH (time, not preference)
Programs: UA1K, LH GM, AA EXP->GM
Posts: 38,265
Nov 19, 2008, 2:02 pm
#20
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: FRA, AMS
Programs: LH:SEN++ 2012, FB Plat,AMX:PLA/CRB, *WOOD:PLA,Sixt:Diamond , LuckyStrike:Red, others
Posts: 119
Thank you so much !
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Dear Mr. von Goetz!
Just got the latest news about PPB in Germany today. I actually don't know, where to start in being deeply thankful for the new and creative enhancements you kindly added to the PPB programme.
Let me also express my congratiulations to one of the most sophisticated changes a benefit programme can offer.
I'm really glad, because you're now strongly supporting me with the idea in shifting my FRA-LHR business finally to BA. From next year on, I can enjoy C-class service within a LH - Y price margin.
Yours truly,
MichaelFFM
Dear Mr. von Goetz!
Just got the latest news about PPB in Germany today. I actually don't know, where to start in being deeply thankful for the new and creative enhancements you kindly added to the PPB programme.
Let me also express my congratiulations to one of the most sophisticated changes a benefit programme can offer.
I'm really glad, because you're now strongly supporting me with the idea in shifting my FRA-LHR business finally to BA. From next year on, I can enjoy C-class service within a LH - Y price margin.
Yours truly,
MichaelFFM
Nov 19, 2008, 2:20 pm
#21
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: MUC/LAX/SMV
Programs: LH, UA, BD, AA, NW, FB, NH, AC, Sixt, Hertz, Avis, *W, HH, Marriott, PC, Leaders Club, AMEX
Posts: 12,406
Plus, I'll eagerly wait for the December M&M enhancements. If there's anything annoying in it such as a SEN qualification change to 200k miles in 2 years, or less status/bonus miles for D/Z fares, or heavily increased award premiums in F or C, or booking restrictions for F awards and upgrades, there's two things I will do:
1) I'll immediately cancel already paid and issued *A/LH tickets for 2009 worth about 16k EUR (all private fun travel).
2) I'll very quickly spend up to 2 million miles on F and C (companion) award tickets before the enhancements are implemented. I don't care when I get availability or about the routing, because I'm flexible 365 days of the year and can rebook or simplify later on short notice. And I guess there will be plenty of free seats in C and F on short notice, because who will still be able to afford an upgrade using PPBs or miles?
3) I won't even think about renewing SEN in 2009. I'll happily accept applicationy by HONs to marry me, though.
This is like the stock market. If a company you liked turns sour, get rid of it asap, and don't look back.
Last edited by flysurfer; Nov 19, 2008 at 3:01 pm
Nov 19, 2008, 3:25 pm
#25
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: CH / D
Programs: Amex, Avis, BA, BD, CX, FS, Hertz, HH, IC, LH, NH, RC, RCCL, Sixt, SPG, SQ, UA
Posts: 7,050
The upgrade enhancements to the US and Middle/South America are amazing - triple the miles required from discounted biz to F and they call it an enhancement ("Verbesserung").
Amazing - how stupid do they think the customers are. I can only urge everyone to vote with your wallet.
Amazing - how stupid do they think the customers are. I can only urge everyone to vote with your wallet.
Nov 19, 2008, 4:06 pm
#26
Senior Moderator, Moderator: Community Buzz and Ambassador: Miles & More (Lufthansa, Austrian, Swiss, and other partners)
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: 150km from MAN
Programs: LH SEN** HH Diamond
Posts: 29,517
Nov 19, 2008, 5:14 pm
#27
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: SZG
Posts: 3,936
these earning rates are still a lot better than the austrian PBP ones, plus you have more airline partners, can upgrade and earn point in Z and lower Y booking classes. austrian PBP only earns F, A, C, D, Y, B, M and H if i remember correct... the spending rates are indeed insane!
Nov 19, 2008, 6:22 pm
#28
Join Date: Jun 2002
Programs: LH SEN, HH Dia
Posts: 535
This is insane 
I just did some calculations and still hope that I made a mistake, but this is what I ended up with. I compare PBB 2008, PBB 2009 and BA OnBusiness using DE-US flights in business. For each program, destination (EC=east coast, WC=west coast) and booking class (D or C) the comparison lists
- the earning for a return trip
- the cost for a return reward trip plus the number of return trips required
- the cost for a return upgrade to F plus the number of return trips required
BA OnB, *, *: 1.9k / 23k (13) / 10k (6)
PBB '08, *, *: 8.2k / 79k (10) / 50.8k (7)
PBB '09, EC, D: 5.6k / 119k (22) / 143k (26)
PBB '09, EC, C: 8.2k / 119k (15) / 102k (13)
PBB '09, WC, D: 6.6k / 152k (24) / 192k (30)
PBB '09, WC, C: 10.4k / 152k (15) / 129k (19)
In 2009 you need 1.5 to 2.5 times more for a reward flight and 2 to 4 times more for an upgrade
I guess, time to spend the current points before the end of the year for a pool of tickets for use next year and move on. At least the tickets can be rebooked without charge...
I just did some calculations and still hope that I made a mistake, but this is what I ended up with. I compare PBB 2008, PBB 2009 and BA OnBusiness using DE-US flights in business. For each program, destination (EC=east coast, WC=west coast) and booking class (D or C) the comparison lists
- the earning for a return trip
- the cost for a return reward trip plus the number of return trips required
- the cost for a return upgrade to F plus the number of return trips required
BA OnB, *, *: 1.9k / 23k (13) / 10k (6)
PBB '08, *, *: 8.2k / 79k (10) / 50.8k (7)
PBB '09, EC, D: 5.6k / 119k (22) / 143k (26)
PBB '09, EC, C: 8.2k / 119k (15) / 102k (13)
PBB '09, WC, D: 6.6k / 152k (24) / 192k (30)
PBB '09, WC, C: 10.4k / 152k (15) / 129k (19)
In 2009 you need 1.5 to 2.5 times more for a reward flight and 2 to 4 times more for an upgrade
I guess, time to spend the current points before the end of the year for a pool of tickets for use next year and move on. At least the tickets can be rebooked without charge...
Nov 19, 2008, 9:22 pm
#29
Moderator: Asiana & Qantas Frequent Flyer
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: STR/SYD/SMF
Programs: QF Lifetime SG, LH HON, OZ Lifetime Diamond +, HH Diamond, Marriott Lifetime Platinum
Posts: 14,375
Both. Similar to when they took the exit rows reservation away for a while. A lot of people wrote letters and I canceled thousands of $$$ worth of LH flights and moved them to oneworld.
But granted there is a difference between reversing a change in reservation procedures and reversing those increases. Just ridiculous.
Time to give our local VP a call.
Nov 19, 2008, 11:06 pm
#30
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: SZG, Austria
Programs: LH(OS) HON, IC RA
Posts: 33,194
