Mar 28, 2014, 7:06 am
Last edit by: warakorn
VC has announced a stike phase from 0am on 02APR14 till 11.59pm on 04APR14:
Expect massive advance cancellations. VC pilots only operate LH Mainline A32S, B737 and longhaul widebodies, so expect cancellations on such flights.
The current list of cancellations can be found here:
http://www.lufthansa.com/online/portal/lh/de/flight_services/cancelled_flights?nodeid=118127922&l=de&cid=18002
Or just open your booking and take a look.
Once the cancellation is announced LH allows rebooking online or via the phone. The exact procedure is described here: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/lufthansa-austrian-swiss-brussels-lot-other-partners-miles-more/1541419-flyertalk-vielfliegertreff-lufthansa-irreg-interview.html
According to EU passenger rights regulation EC261/2004 article 8, the operating carrier (Lufthansa) is responsible to reroute passengers under comparable transport conditions, to their final destination at the earliest opportunity.
Article 8 also applies in situations like strikes.
Tickets issued for 2-4APR just received a waiver to rebook for free:
Die VC wird ihre Mitglieder vom 02. April 00.00 Uhr bis 04. April 23.59 Uhr zum bundesweiten Arbeitskampf zur Durchsetzung eines neuen Tarifvertrages Übergangsversorgung aufrufen.
The current list of cancellations can be found here:
http://www.lufthansa.com/online/portal/lh/de/flight_services/cancelled_flights?nodeid=118127922&l=de&cid=18002
Or just open your booking and take a look.
Once the cancellation is announced LH allows rebooking online or via the phone. The exact procedure is described here: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/lufthansa-austrian-swiss-brussels-lot-other-partners-miles-more/1541419-flyertalk-vielfliegertreff-lufthansa-irreg-interview.html
According to EU passenger rights regulation EC261/2004 article 8, the operating carrier (Lufthansa) is responsible to reroute passengers under comparable transport conditions, to their final destination at the earliest opportunity.
Article 8 also applies in situations like strikes.
Tickets issued for 2-4APR just received a waiver to rebook for free:
Announced strike of the pilots union from April, 2nd – 4th, 2014
The pilots union “Vereinigung Cockpit” (VC) has called upon its members at Lufthansa, Lufthansa Cargo and Germanwings to cease work for three days from Wednesday, April 2nd 2014, 00:00, to Friday, 4th April 2014, at 23:59 at all German airports.
In order to keep impact of the strike as low as possible, Lufthansa will inform its customers about details of flight cancellations and alternative travel options via www.LH.com as soon as possible. Customers, who advised their contact information, will be informed by e-mail and SMS notifications about changes of their flights.
Lufthansa will publish a list with cancelled flights as well as information for passenger services on Monday afternoon, 31st March 2014.
Passengers holding a Lufthansa/SWISS/Austrian Airlines or Brussels ticket for flights on April 2nd – April 4th, 2014 from/to/via Germany, are permitted to rebook their flight once free of charge online via My Bookings with immediate effect, provided that:
- the ticket was issued on/before March 28th, 2014
- the new travel date is on/before September 30th, 2014
- the original ticket class remains
- all other fare conditions are adhered to
Passengers may also contact our service center on +49(0)69-86-799-799* or via one of our local phone numbers.
* Calls from German landlines at local rates, call charges from German mobile networks may vary dependent upon the provider
The pilots union “Vereinigung Cockpit” (VC) has called upon its members at Lufthansa, Lufthansa Cargo and Germanwings to cease work for three days from Wednesday, April 2nd 2014, 00:00, to Friday, 4th April 2014, at 23:59 at all German airports.
In order to keep impact of the strike as low as possible, Lufthansa will inform its customers about details of flight cancellations and alternative travel options via www.LH.com as soon as possible. Customers, who advised their contact information, will be informed by e-mail and SMS notifications about changes of their flights.
Lufthansa will publish a list with cancelled flights as well as information for passenger services on Monday afternoon, 31st March 2014.
Passengers holding a Lufthansa/SWISS/Austrian Airlines or Brussels ticket for flights on April 2nd – April 4th, 2014 from/to/via Germany, are permitted to rebook their flight once free of charge online via My Bookings with immediate effect, provided that:
- the ticket was issued on/before March 28th, 2014
- the new travel date is on/before September 30th, 2014
- the original ticket class remains
- all other fare conditions are adhered to
Passengers may also contact our service center on +49(0)69-86-799-799* or via one of our local phone numbers.
* Calls from German landlines at local rates, call charges from German mobile networks may vary dependent upon the provider
VC Pilots Strike 02-04 APR 2014 [discussion & info wiki]
Mar 25, 2014, 6:28 am
#46
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The pilots I know are keen to keep flying until the very last day before reaching the mandatory retirement age. It'd be interesting to know if the number of pilots that want to retire at age 55 is really significant, or, if this just a "we-will-fight-for-it-because-we-have-had-this-in-the-past" kinda battle?
Not something I find strange, I would sure like to do the same. But they seem lacking in understanding (or maybe they do, they just don't give a damn) what this could mean to a company...
It's not always so black and white that one party is completely right and the other is wrong. It's simply a negotiation.
Mar 25, 2014, 10:04 am
#48
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Location: LAX/VNY (Hometown: CAK)
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I'm on an award ticket, on a host of LH group flights the first week of May: JFK-VIE-OTP on OS, OTP-ZRH on LX, ZRH-MUC-AMS on CL, and BRU-JFK on SN.
If the strike happens, does this impact all of these flights, or just the CL ones?
And, for IRROPS, will they look at only my final destination (technically OTP, since I have a lot of <23-hour "connections?")? And are train trips possible for international reacommodations, or just intra-Germany?
If the strike happens, does this impact all of these flights, or just the CL ones?
And, for IRROPS, will they look at only my final destination (technically OTP, since I have a lot of <23-hour "connections?")? And are train trips possible for international reacommodations, or just intra-Germany?
Mar 25, 2014, 10:39 am
#50
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I'm on an award ticket, on a host of LH group flights the first week of May: JFK-VIE-OTP on OS, OTP-ZRH on LX, ZRH-MUC-AMS on CL, and BRU-JFK on SN.
If the strike happens, does this impact all of these flights, or just the CL ones?
And, for IRROPS, will they look at only my final destination (technically OTP, since I have a lot of <23-hour "connections?")? And are train trips possible for international reacommodations, or just intra-Germany?
If the strike happens, does this impact all of these flights, or just the CL ones?
And, for IRROPS, will they look at only my final destination (technically OTP, since I have a lot of <23-hour "connections?")? And are train trips possible for international reacommodations, or just intra-Germany?
Mar 25, 2014, 10:59 am
#51
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: GRR, USA
Posts: 3,298
FRA will be crippled Thursday from 3:30a to 2:30p local. Baggage / aircraft handlers, freight personnel, admin, etc all expected to walk. Hope the baby sitters are happy that their plight will now effect 10's of thousands of people. but I guess that's what a union is designed to do....
Mar 25, 2014, 6:38 pm
#52
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Mar 25, 2014, 7:43 pm
#53
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: OSL/IAH/ZRH (time, not preference)
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.If you are in a position of power, you can use it for your leverage. This is after all what every management does. And from the management, the workers have learned that game.
Or do you think management salaries are high because management is so valuable to the companies and their talents are so rare? Both can actually be well true but that would not trigger high salaries.
Mar 25, 2014, 10:52 pm
#54
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I'm scheduled to fly LH from IAH-FRA on April 1 with a return of April 9. I chose these routes because they are using the 380A - a new aviation experience for me. I booked this through UA. Latest news I saw this evening said strike could occur at anytime between these dates. Would UA give me a chance to reschedule this itinerary or would I be better off requesting a refund? I'm booked in Business so would that give me an edge in getting what I want? Can anyone offer some sage advice? Will travel insurance cover the bulk of any unforeseen circumstances? Thanks!
Mar 26, 2014, 12:21 am
#55
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The strike will be announced 48h in advance and LH will adjust the schedule. Then you proceed as per the comments in this thread: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/lufth...interview.html
Worrying now makes no sense.
Worrying now makes no sense.
Mar 26, 2014, 4:17 am
#56
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The strike will be announced 48h in advance and LH will adjust the schedule. Then you proceed as per the comments in this thread: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/lufth...interview.html
Worrying now makes no sense.
Worrying now makes no sense.
Mar 26, 2014, 6:38 am
#58
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Location: Texas
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For info http://www.lufthansa.com/de/en/Travel-information.
Not much choice since my connection FRA-IAH on UA.
Mar 26, 2014, 9:56 am
#59
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It seems to me that you have never driven a bus. "Pilots just have to land safely when something happens" would not do the job justice either. The vast majority of the work in both cases are invested in preventing "things from happening".
And if you look at the great accident statistics of busses outside of Singapore (where they seem to be involved in every single collision in one way or another), I think "pulling over" isn't what defines their job honour.
Mar 26, 2014, 10:13 am
#60
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Location: GRR, USA
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Or divert you over another ocean ....
It seems to me that you have never driven a bus. "Pilots just have to land safely when something happens" would not do the job justice either. The vast majority of the work in both cases are invested in preventing "things from happening".
And if you look at the great accident statistics of busses outside of Singapore (where they seem to be involved in every single collision in one way or another), I think "pulling over" isn't what defines their job honour.
It seems to me that you have never driven a bus. "Pilots just have to land safely when something happens" would not do the job justice either. The vast majority of the work in both cases are invested in preventing "things from happening".
And if you look at the great accident statistics of busses outside of Singapore (where they seem to be involved in every single collision in one way or another), I think "pulling over" isn't what defines their job honour.
My acid test for this would be that I would much rather be on a bus that is out of control or suffering an emergency (flat tire, engine fire, etc) than on an aircraft at 38k feet over the atlantic when the engines go quiet....I think if anyone would rather be on a plane vs. a bus on a given emergency is asking for far more trouble!
