Lufthansa Long-Haul Business Class launch [merged rationale discussion]
Mar 11, 2012, 3:49 pm
#212
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 11,586
More importantly: Does he get free tickets for what he is doing?
LH's approach to steer opinions on the main online platforms is very questionable. The censorship on VFT last week was a new low and shed some light on what's going on behind the scenes.
If LH wants to be part of the discussion here and elsewhere, they need to put people like Michelle back in place. Buying favors doesn't do the trick.
LH's approach to steer opinions on the main online platforms is very questionable. The censorship on VFT last week was a new low and shed some light on what's going on behind the scenes.
If LH wants to be part of the discussion here and elsewhere, they need to put people like Michelle back in place. Buying favors doesn't do the trick.
!).The media backlash on this has been interesting. LH does have a PR problem with this one.
My attitude is different rather than attacking LH for this failure, I am in fact sorry for LH, they had a great chance to reveal a product which could lure a lot of business back from "bling air(s)" and TK.
I wonder what the future of the company holds as it becomes less business customer centric which has been and still is its prime profitable base. They are alienating their customers forgetting that many have a choice. In this age of strict travel budgets there has to be a justifiable reason for spending that bit more to fly LH. This reason is going.
I'm well aware LH have a captive market in Germany, but there is only so far you can push the consumers there, that once inconvenient transfer via LHR or DXB, which often works out cheaper too, is all the more sweeter.
For me being a SEN is all about LX, I love the onboard product, while the lounges are not as good it is made up in this way I wish their network was bigger and like LH's
. SWISS has a captive market too, but CH citizens are lucky as LX is great!
Mar 11, 2012, 4:53 pm
#213
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: CDG
Programs: SK Gold, AF Gold, Marriott Platinum
Posts: 3,728
I was looking for ways to excuse LH's new C, but then I saw this:
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?...4028906&type=1
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?...4028906&type=1
Mar 11, 2012, 5:10 pm
#214
Senior Moderator, Moderator: Community Buzz and Ambassador: Miles & More (Lufthansa, Austrian, Swiss, and other partners)
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: 150km from MAN
Programs: LH SEN** HH Diamond
Posts: 29,516
Mar 11, 2012, 5:25 pm
#215
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: in your favourite lounge, clearing the whole buffet
Programs: LH Maximizer of the year, BA Blue Label killer
Posts: 1,001
Please explain it to the ones who are not willing to read anything about "Offenheit und Toleranz" there anymore.
Mar 11, 2012, 6:18 pm
#216
Senior Moderator, Moderator: Community Buzz and Ambassador: Miles & More (Lufthansa, Austrian, Swiss, and other partners)
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: 150km from MAN
Programs: LH SEN** HH Diamond
Posts: 29,516
Why do you have to look for ways to excuse LH's new C? 
I'd be interested to know if there was any caption to the first picture in this post. If it is indeed the main deck of the 747-8i as someone suggested, why did LH not launch the new C seats as they would be installed on the main deck rather than on the upper deck (or was it the 333)?
I thought LH wanted to launch the new C seats with the introduction of the 747-8i. I've lost track but am I correct in thinking that the 333 with the new F and C will be flying before the first 747-8i?
As far as I can see from various pictures, the only new C seats on display at ITB were those arranged /\ with very narrow tables in-between. If they have other configurations, e.g. H or / \ , why did they not show them at the launch event? Were they too honest and showed the worst examples? So no one can complain when they see inferior versions later?
That alone seems like a major PR disaster.
I'd be interested to know if there was any caption to the first picture in this post. If it is indeed the main deck of the 747-8i as someone suggested, why did LH not launch the new C seats as they would be installed on the main deck rather than on the upper deck (or was it the 333)?
I thought LH wanted to launch the new C seats with the introduction of the 747-8i. I've lost track but am I correct in thinking that the 333 with the new F and C will be flying before the first 747-8i?
As far as I can see from various pictures, the only new C seats on display at ITB were those arranged /\ with very narrow tables in-between. If they have other configurations, e.g. H or / \ , why did they not show them at the launch event? Were they too honest and showed the worst examples? So no one can complain when they see inferior versions later?
That alone seems like a major PR disaster.
Mar 11, 2012, 6:49 pm
#217
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 61
You are right, the first aircraft with the new C will be the A333 which will be delivered by end of this month. Thanks to Boeing for their delay
The picture you linked is definitely the main deck of the new B747-8I, look at all these engineers with the boeing jackets, LH hasn't ordered other boeing aircraft so it can only be the main deck of the B747-8I.
Why they picked this version for the ITB? Good question
I can just guess that they picked this version because it will be the majority of the seats in the new B747-8I.
Mar 11, 2012, 7:15 pm
#218
Senior Moderator, Moderator: Community Buzz and Ambassador: Miles & More (Lufthansa, Austrian, Swiss, and other partners)
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: 150km from MAN
Programs: LH SEN** HH Diamond
Posts: 29,516
Mar 12, 2012, 4:31 am
#220
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Seat 2A
Programs: AA EXP LT GLD 1MM, BA GLD, NH/UA*G, Hyatt Dia, Marr Tit LT PLT, IHG Spire,HH Dia, MGM NOIR,Hertz PC
Posts: 10,571
AA will get subsidies early enough... once they come out of Chapter 11, U.S. law cleared them of substantial debt that would have other airlines outside the United State fold a long time ago.
Besides that I doubt that the government of Singapore provides subsidies to SQ. The tax, legal & employment structure in Singapore alone is very corporate friendly that no additional incentives are needed to let SQ thrive.
And the largest source of their success is a happy & healthy customer base, resulting from professional service and high product standards.
Besides that I doubt that the government of Singapore provides subsidies to SQ. The tax, legal & employment structure in Singapore alone is very corporate friendly that no additional incentives are needed to let SQ thrive.
And the largest source of their success is a happy & healthy customer base, resulting from professional service and high product standards.
Mar 12, 2012, 5:09 am
#221
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 61
The main deck will also get V-configuration on the outer rows. So I guess the outer rows will be the versions LH has shown on the ITB
Mar 12, 2012, 6:10 am
#222
Senior Moderator, Moderator: Community Buzz and Ambassador: Miles & More (Lufthansa, Austrian, Swiss, and other partners)
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: 150km from MAN
Programs: LH SEN** HH Diamond
Posts: 29,516
The picture of the main deck unfortunately does not show the window pairs very clearly but they look as if they are facing (more) forward than the middle pairs. And have you any idea where the bottom left picture in this post came from?
Mar 12, 2012, 6:48 am
#223
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 61
I don't have the time to check right now but I seem to remember someone posted that the window pairs on the main deck would be more like H or \\ // rather than \/.
The picture of the main deck unfortunately does not show the window pairs very clearly but they look as if they are facing (more) forward than the middle pairs. And have you any idea where the bottom left picture in this post came from?
The picture of the main deck unfortunately does not show the window pairs very clearly but they look as if they are facing (more) forward than the middle pairs. And have you any idea where the bottom left picture in this post came from?
ans on Airbus fleet it will be: \\ \/ //