[NEWBIE LOUNGE] Ask Your Lufthansa Group Questions Here [2011-15 edition]
Feb 28, 2011, 3:52 am
#16
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If, for example, I wanted to travel LAS-LAX-ZRH-LHR, the M&M site appears to allow me to check LX availability on LAX-ZRH-LHR. Is it a case of checking ANA to see availability on the LAS-LAX leg and then calling M&M to put all this together and make the full booking? Also, do I need to call up to make one way bookings?
Yes, you need to call to make a one way award booking.
Feb 28, 2011, 9:20 am
#17
Join Date: Apr 2009
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Great forum for LH Newbies like myself. I am sure a few of the questions have been answered before so if anyone can just share the posting link that would be great!
Just a couple quick questions. We are flying the following routing this summer:
EWR > DUS (330 in F)
DUS > LYS (CR7 in Economy :P)
CDG> FRA > EWR (737 and 340 in F)
1. What lounge amenities are provided at EWR for First Class passengers? My last trip to LH was in J and I vaguely remember using the SAS Lounge.
2. Any trip reports or what to expect during our flight in F on a 330/340?
3. For our return leg home our current connection time (CGD > FRA > EWR) is around 40 mins. According to my research this connection is not valid.
Am I correct in my understanding of FRA connections?
What amenities are provided in the FRA First Class lounge? Are they worth moving our CDG > FRA flight earlier?
Thanks in advance for any help!
Just a couple quick questions. We are flying the following routing this summer:
EWR > DUS (330 in F)
DUS > LYS (CR7 in Economy :P)
CDG> FRA > EWR (737 and 340 in F)
1. What lounge amenities are provided at EWR for First Class passengers? My last trip to LH was in J and I vaguely remember using the SAS Lounge.
2. Any trip reports or what to expect during our flight in F on a 330/340?
3. For our return leg home our current connection time (CGD > FRA > EWR) is around 40 mins. According to my research this connection is not valid.
Am I correct in my understanding of FRA connections?
What amenities are provided in the FRA First Class lounge? Are they worth moving our CDG > FRA flight earlier?
Thanks in advance for any help!
Feb 28, 2011, 9:48 am
#18
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Copenhagen
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CPH roundtrip MAD - LH mini mileage run
Hi there. I got an upcoming trip to MAD where I will have to fly out as late as possible (LH6225 [SK] and LH1120 [LH], unless I didn't see some better option).
Now I could fly back during the weekend on a direct connection with JK (which I didn't enjoy very much recently) or SK.
OR I could do something more fancy to get some miles with either LH, Aegean or SAS (or any combination of those), if the ticket price stays reasonable (< ~500 EUR). That's where I'm asking you for help/advice: I thought about flying back via MAD - MXP - FRA - CPH, all LH metal, which would give 500 miles flat per leg(?) on Aegean or 1000 if I manage to book it in G or Q. Also it seems to be quite similarly priced to a LH connection without the additional MXP stop. Not too bad so far. But maybe there is something nicer to do? I'm usually choosing the quickest connections so I'm not experienced at all in how to find these things. Advice is appreciated.
Also could someone give a rough price for outbound S/V (not much reason in paying a lot of difference to get it to Q for only one LH leg) and Q/G on the return flight, with and without the MXP stop? As far as I've seen it is about 480 EUR, but I'd better double check. Thank you.
Now I could fly back during the weekend on a direct connection with JK (which I didn't enjoy very much recently) or SK.
OR I could do something more fancy to get some miles with either LH, Aegean or SAS (or any combination of those), if the ticket price stays reasonable (< ~500 EUR). That's where I'm asking you for help/advice: I thought about flying back via MAD - MXP - FRA - CPH, all LH metal, which would give 500 miles flat per leg(?) on Aegean or 1000 if I manage to book it in G or Q. Also it seems to be quite similarly priced to a LH connection without the additional MXP stop. Not too bad so far. But maybe there is something nicer to do? I'm usually choosing the quickest connections so I'm not experienced at all in how to find these things. Advice is appreciated.
Also could someone give a rough price for outbound S/V (not much reason in paying a lot of difference to get it to Q for only one LH leg) and Q/G on the return flight, with and without the MXP stop? As far as I've seen it is about 480 EUR, but I'd better double check. Thank you.
Feb 28, 2011, 10:14 am
#19
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We are flying the following routing this summer:
EWR > DUS (330 in F)
DUS > LYS (CR7 in Economy :P)
CDG> FRA > EWR (737 and 340 in F)
1. What lounge amenities are provided at EWR for First Class passengers? My last trip to LH was in J and I vaguely remember using the SAS Lounge.
EWR > DUS (330 in F)
DUS > LYS (CR7 in Economy :P)
CDG> FRA > EWR (737 and 340 in F)
1. What lounge amenities are provided at EWR for First Class passengers? My last trip to LH was in J and I vaguely remember using the SAS Lounge.
2. Any trip reports or what to expect during our flight in F on a 330/340?
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3. For our return leg home our current connection time (CGD > FRA > EWR) is around 40 mins. According to my research this connection is not valid.
Am I correct in my understanding of FRA connections?
Am I correct in my understanding of FRA connections?
What amenities are provided in the FRA First Class lounge? Are they worth moving our CDG > FRA flight earlier?
Feb 28, 2011, 10:35 am
#20
Join Date: Apr 2010
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Hi there.
Passengers on *A flights with Frequent Traveller status (in Miles and More) can access lounges even when travelling in economy.. but can they take another passenger (no status) to lounge with them if he is on same booking?
Thanks for your help
Passengers on *A flights with Frequent Traveller status (in Miles and More) can access lounges even when travelling in economy.. but can they take another passenger (no status) to lounge with them if he is on same booking?
Thanks for your help
Feb 28, 2011, 10:56 am
#21
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http://www.lufthansa.com/de/en/Loung...t_l=en#ancAbT3
Feb 28, 2011, 1:25 pm
#22
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Newbie Runner -
Thank you for the response - it is very helpful.
Does DUS at least have a Welcome Lounge that we might be able to use to shower?
Unfortunately I booked my flight (as an award) through Air Canada and they say 40 mins is enough to make the connection and therefore they will not change my flight. They argue that LH ticketed the flight and therefore the connection is valid.
Was hoping to take advantage of FC Lounge time at FRA.
Thank you for the response - it is very helpful.
Does DUS at least have a Welcome Lounge that we might be able to use to shower?
Unfortunately I booked my flight (as an award) through Air Canada and they say 40 mins is enough to make the connection and therefore they will not change my flight. They argue that LH ticketed the flight and therefore the connection is valid.
Was hoping to take advantage of FC Lounge time at FRA.
Feb 28, 2011, 2:03 pm
#23
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: LEJ BRU
Posts: 1,157
Yes, FTL can access Business Lounges where they exist regardless of the class of travel but they cannot invite a guest free of charge. You can buy access by your travelling companions to selected LH business lounges for €25 or US$35.
http://www.lufthansa.com/de/en/Loung...t_l=en#ancAbT3
http://www.lufthansa.com/de/en/Loung...t_l=en#ancAbT3
Feb 28, 2011, 3:39 pm
#24
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Unfortunately I booked my flight (as an award) through Air Canada and they say 40 mins is enough to make the connection and therefore they will not change my flight. They argue that LH ticketed the flight and therefore the connection is valid.
Was hoping to take advantage of FC Lounge time at FRA.
Was hoping to take advantage of FC Lounge time at FRA.
Mar 1, 2011, 1:01 am
#25
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Newbie runner, I looked up the LH-LH MCT table in FRA in Amadeus and it yields some interesting facts (look at the LH 710 timings ). Maybe you can add that to the FRA connection thread:
). Maybe you can add that to the FRA connection thread:Code:
DMLH/FRA/LH/01MAR11
FRA LH TO LH
FRA-FRA FROM - TO D/D D/I I/D I/I
CC FLTN-FLTR ORGN EQPTM-CC FLTN-FLTR DEST EQPTM HMM HMM HMM HMM
LH BUS - --- --- --- 100
LH BR - --- --- 100 100
LH CA - --- --- 100 100
LH CN - --- --- 100 100
LH EG - --- --- 100 100
LH ET - --- --- 100 100
LH IN - --- --- 100 100
LH JP - --- --- 100 100
LH QA - --- --- 100 100
LH SG - --- --- 100 100
LH TH - --- --- 100 100
LH US - --- --- 100 ---
LH ZA - --- --- 100 100
LH QKL - 100 100 --- ---
LH ZWS - 100 100 --- ---
LH 0400-0799 - --- --- 100 100
LH 7270-7329 - --- --- 100 100
LH 7354-7409 - --- --- --- 130
)>m
LH 7440-7599 - --- --- 100 ---
LH 7354-7409 BR - --- --- 130 ---
LH 7330-7353 ZA - --- --- 045 045
LH - TRN 100 100 100 100
LH - US --- 100 --- 100
LH - QKL ICE --- --- 100 ---
LH - ZWS ICE --- --- 100 ---
LH SC - QKL ICE --- --- 100 ---
LH SC - ZWS ICE --- --- 100 ---
TRN -LH 100 100 100 100
QKL ICE -LH 059 059 --- ---
ZWS ICE -LH 059 059 --- ---
LH BUS -LH 100 100 100 100
LH 7270-7329 -LH --- --- --- 100
LH 7270-7329 CN -LH --- --- 100 100
LH 7600-7999 US -LH --- --- 100 100
LH -LH BUS 100 100 100 100
LH XER BUS -LH SC --- --- --- 100
-LH BR --- 100 --- 100
-LH CA --- 100 --- 100
-LH CN --- 100 --- 100
-LH EG --- 100 --- 100
)>m
-LH ET --- 100 --- 100
-LH IN --- 100 --- 100
-LH JP --- 100 --- 100
-LH QA --- 100 --- 100
-LH SG --- 100 --- 100
-LH TH --- 100 --- 100
-LH US --- 100 --- 100
-LH ZA --- 100 --- 100
XER BUS -LH CA --- --- --- 115
XER BUS -LH MX --- --- --- 115
XER BUS -LH US --- --- --- 115
-LH TLV --- 100 --- 100
LH -LH TLV --- --- --- 100
LH 7440-7599 -LH GVA --- --- --- 050
-LH QKL ICE 059 --- 059 ---
-LH ZWS ICE 059 --- 059 ---
-LH 0400-0799 --- 100 --- 100
-LH 7240-7269 --- 115 --- 115
-LH 7354-7409 --- --- --- 130
LH -LH 8716-9415 --- 100 --- 100
LH 9514-9653 -LH 2384-2435 --- --- --- 200
LH 9514-9653 -LH 5540-5559 --- --- --- 200
)>m
LH 5326-5535 -LH 6850-6901 --- --- --- 200
LH 9514-9653 -LH 6850-6901 --- --- --- 200
LH 5540-5559 -LH 9514-9653 --- --- --- 200
LH 6850-6901 -LH 9514-9653 --- --- --- 200
-LH 7354-7409 BR --- 130 --- ---
LH -LH 7600-7999 US --- 100 --- 100
LH 0441 -LH 0108 --- --- 050 ---
LH 0755 -LH 0108 --- --- 055 ---
LH 0621 -LH 0230 --- --- --- 055
LH 0447 -LH 0234 --- --- --- 055
LH 0465 -LH 0234 --- --- --- 055
LH 0737 -LH 0238 --- --- --- 050
LH 0463 -LH 0246 --- --- --- 050
LH 0447 -LH 0252 --- --- --- 055
LH 0721 -LH 0274 --- --- --- 055
LH 0455 -LH 0310 --- --- --- 055
LH 0821 -LH 0534 --- --- --- 050
LH 0249 -LH 0710 --- --- --- 055
LH 1235 -LH 0710 --- --- --- 045
LH 0299 -LH 0720 --- --- --- 055
LH 1143 -LH 0720 --- --- --- 050
LH 0491 -LH 0802 --- --- --- 050
)>m
LH 0737 -LH 0238 --- --- --- 050
LH 0463 -LH 0246 --- --- --- 050
LH 0447 -LH 0252 --- --- --- 055
LH 0721 -LH 0274 --- --- --- 055
LH 0455 -LH 0310 --- --- --- 055
LH 0821 -LH 0534 --- --- --- 050
LH 0249 -LH 0710 --- --- --- 055
LH 1235 -LH 0710 --- --- --- 045
LH 0299 -LH 0720 --- --- --- 055
LH 1143 -LH 0720 --- --- --- 050
LH 0491 -LH 0802 --- --- --- 050
LH 0405 -LH 0814 --- --- --- 055
LH 0621 -LH 1110 --- --- --- 050
LH 0621 -LH 1184 --- --- --- 050
LH 0457 -LH 1216 --- --- --- 050
LH 0493 -LH 1216 --- --- --- 050
LH 0427 -LH 1278 --- --- --- 050
LH 0405 -LH 1396 --- --- --- 055
LH 0471 -LH 1426 --- --- --- 050
LH 0455 -LH 1446 --- --- --- 055
CK ALSO STANDARD CONNECTING TIMES
PRECLEARANCE MAY APPLY
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Mar 1, 2011, 4:59 am
#26
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Hi there. I got an upcoming trip to MAD where I will have to fly out as late as possible (LH6225 [SK] and LH1120 [LH], unless I didn't see some better option).
Now I could fly back during the weekend on a direct connection with JK (which I didn't enjoy very much recently) or SK.
OR I could do something more fancy to get some miles with either LH, Aegean or SAS (or any combination of those), if the ticket price stays reasonable (< ~500 EUR). That's where I'm asking you for help/advice: I thought about flying back via MAD - MXP - FRA - CPH, all LH metal, which would give 500 miles flat per leg(?) on Aegean or 1000 if I manage to book it in G or Q. Also it seems to be quite similarly priced to a LH connection without the additional MXP stop. Not too bad so far. But maybe there is something nicer to do? I'm usually choosing the quickest connections so I'm not experienced at all in how to find these things. Advice is appreciated.
Also could someone give a rough price for outbound S/V (not much reason in paying a lot of difference to get it to Q for only one LH leg) and Q/G on the return flight, with and without the MXP stop? As far as I've seen it is about 480 EUR, but I'd better double check. Thank you.
Now I could fly back during the weekend on a direct connection with JK (which I didn't enjoy very much recently) or SK.
OR I could do something more fancy to get some miles with either LH, Aegean or SAS (or any combination of those), if the ticket price stays reasonable (< ~500 EUR). That's where I'm asking you for help/advice: I thought about flying back via MAD - MXP - FRA - CPH, all LH metal, which would give 500 miles flat per leg(?) on Aegean or 1000 if I manage to book it in G or Q. Also it seems to be quite similarly priced to a LH connection without the additional MXP stop. Not too bad so far. But maybe there is something nicer to do? I'm usually choosing the quickest connections so I'm not experienced at all in how to find these things. Advice is appreciated.
Also could someone give a rough price for outbound S/V (not much reason in paying a lot of difference to get it to Q for only one LH leg) and Q/G on the return flight, with and without the MXP stop? As far as I've seen it is about 480 EUR, but I'd better double check. Thank you.
If you have a bit of flexibility (ie, can leave CPH 2 hours earlier than the FRA Flight, not ideal if you really have to get the latest possible flight), you could maybe get an LX Business Saver (the reason I ask about Aegean is I don't know if they'll give you the Miles for the original Fare Bucket or the upgraded one - effectively it's a Y fare that automatically gets upgraded).
Anyway, looking at the Weekend after next, you could do the roundtrip via Zurich in C for DKK4026 (~540€), which, in M&M at least, yields 8000 Miles. Only downside is the times aren't very convenient...
Mar 1, 2011, 7:55 am
#27
Join Date: Apr 2009
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Newbie Runner,
After much huffing and puffing with AC Reservations I was able to update the record (Upgrading my DUS > LYS to Business and an earlier flight of out CDG)
Thankfully no we can use the DUS lounge before our flight.
The issue according to LH is AC uses outdated connection time min. (45 vs 60)
We were on:
LH1037 > LH484
We are now on:
LH1035 > LH484
Longer connection time but at least we will not be rushed and can enjoy the services in FRA>
After much huffing and puffing with AC Reservations I was able to update the record (Upgrading my DUS > LYS to Business and an earlier flight of out CDG)
Thankfully no we can use the DUS lounge before our flight.
The issue according to LH is AC uses outdated connection time min. (45 vs 60)
We were on:
LH1037 > LH484
We are now on:
LH1035 > LH484
Longer connection time but at least we will not be rushed and can enjoy the services in FRA>
Mar 1, 2011, 8:24 am
#28
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Copenhagen
Programs: TK*G, Delta Gold
Posts: 384
Either. May be Aegean makes more sense in my situation.
I do not have flexibility for the outbound flight, I got to be on the latest possible. Hence LX won't work I'm afraid, unless the SK flight has a LX number as well (which I didn't see).
Is that billed as Economy then or is that billed as Business? For company rules I will not be allowed to hand in Business bookings, however there is no additional rules except common sense for Economy bookings.
I guess there is no way of doing something similar with the latest connection CPH-MAD outbound (which I believe is SK metal)?
I do not have flexibility for the outbound flight, I got to be on the latest possible. Hence LX won't work I'm afraid, unless the SK flight has a LX number as well (which I didn't see).
If you have a bit of flexibility (ie, can leave CPH 2 hours earlier than the FRA Flight, not ideal if you really have to get the latest possible flight), you could maybe get an LX Business Saver (the reason I ask about Aegean is I don't know if they'll give you the Miles for the original Fare Bucket or the upgraded one - effectively it's a Y fare that automatically gets upgraded).
Anyway, looking at the Weekend after next, you could do the roundtrip via Zurich in C for DKK4026 (~540€), which, in M&M at least, yields 8000 Miles. Only downside is the times aren't very convenient...
Mar 1, 2011, 9:16 am
#29
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: MLH
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Posts: 483
Either. May be Aegean makes more sense in my situation.
I do not have flexibility for the outbound flight, I got to be on the latest possible. Hence LX won't work I'm afraid, unless the SK flight has a LX number as well (which I didn't see).
Is that billed as Economy then or is that billed as Business? For company rules I will not be allowed to hand in Business bookings, however there is no additional rules except common sense for Economy bookings.
I guess there is no way of doing something similar with the latest connection CPH-MAD outbound (which I believe is SK metal)?
I do not have flexibility for the outbound flight, I got to be on the latest possible. Hence LX won't work I'm afraid, unless the SK flight has a LX number as well (which I didn't see).
Is that billed as Economy then or is that billed as Business? For company rules I will not be allowed to hand in Business bookings, however there is no additional rules except common sense for Economy bookings.
I guess there is no way of doing something similar with the latest connection CPH-MAD outbound (which I believe is SK metal)?
Mar 1, 2011, 3:01 pm
#30
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After much huffing and puffing with AC Reservations I was able to update the record (Upgrading my DUS > LYS to Business and an earlier flight of out CDG)
Thankfully no we can use the DUS lounge before our flight.
The issue according to LH is AC uses outdated connection time min. (45 vs 60)
We were on:
LH1037 > LH484
We are now on:
LH1035 > LH484
Thankfully no we can use the DUS lounge before our flight.
The issue according to LH is AC uses outdated connection time min. (45 vs 60)
We were on:
LH1037 > LH484
We are now on:
LH1035 > LH484
It will give you time to sample the First Class Lounge as well as being "legal".
As arriving F passengers you should have access to the Senator Lounge in DUS anyway but don't expect LH European Business Class to be anything to write home about!