SkyPriority companions not allowed in AMS priority security
Jul 9, 2022, 9:51 am
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I have no idea. It's very possible it doesn't even have anything to do with the machines but they just changed the policy at the same time. Or the machines are able to distinguish benign liquids (water, juice, soda) from potentially dangerous liquids.
Jul 9, 2022, 11:28 am
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Jul 9, 2022, 12:15 pm
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I’ve been on some flights where 30+% of the passengers are either FPP elites or are otherwise premium pax on the flights. Seems to me that there probably is no 15% maximum users limit per flight. That doesn’t rule out the possibility that the airport may provide a limited included allowance for an airline that is aggregated across an airline’s flights for a period.
Are all airlines at AMS paying a priority line fee that is charged on a per priority line-using traveler basis? And is the fee and fee structure uniform across all airlines at AMS?
Or is it that at least some of that passenger access allowance is packaged in as part of the airport fees that the airlines are paying AMS anyway, and the airlines’ airport fees come with a priority line-user allowance included that isn’t necessarily charged on a per user basis?
Or is it that at least some of that passenger access allowance is packaged in as part of the airport fees that the airlines are paying AMS anyway, and the airlines’ airport fees come with a priority line-user allowance included that isn’t necessarily charged on a per user basis?
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Jul 9, 2022, 1:40 pm
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I was not aware of this. Always was under the impression that this is something the airline would have to pay a fee for. How would KLM manage to do this, as quite a few flights would likely surpass that 15%.
A typical short haul flight has 4 rows of business (16 pax). Then it has 150 economy pax. Out of those, I'm guessing, 5% may be elite and 5% on Flex tickets. That means 31 priority pax out of the 25 allowed with that 15% rule.
A typical short haul flight has 4 rows of business (16 pax). Then it has 150 economy pax. Out of those, I'm guessing, 5% may be elite and 5% on Flex tickets. That means 31 priority pax out of the 25 allowed with that 15% rule.
Of those 31, it might have been (pre Covid) 15 we're originating from AMS, so less than 10%, and maybe 2 or 3 of those were traveling with a companion (on a leisure route, more companions, but probably no flex tickets). Now there's more elites, more leisure, and more originating pax...
Jul 9, 2022, 2:11 pm
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Jul 9, 2022, 3:04 pm
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I wonder how they would know as the scanner doesn't seem to have a clue about anything - except that you have a legit boarding pass. You could pass thru the scanner twice with the exact same boarding pass if you feel like it (as I have).
Jul 9, 2022, 3:12 pm
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The above is not specific to SkyPriority at AMS, but it is specific to AMS.
Jul 9, 2022, 3:13 pm
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The relevant (first) document is in Dutch however. The second is in English but is only about how to encode 'premium' status in the barcode on the boarding pass.
Jul 9, 2022, 3:15 pm
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They don't (currently, to my knowledge) do any more access control than 'is this bp valid', but they are most certainly capable of and almost certainly do count how many pax go through them. And they know which gate is assigned to priority lanes and which isn't.
Jul 9, 2022, 3:17 pm
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https://www.schiphol.nl/en/operation...urity-filters/
The relevant (first) document is in Dutch however. The second is in English but is only about how to encode 'premium' status in the barcode on the boarding pass.
The relevant (first) document is in Dutch however. The second is in English but is only about how to encode 'premium' status in the barcode on the boarding pass.
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This percentage per season (summer or winter timetable) per individual airline is calculated as follows: ( # priority boarding passes scanned by SSBPC ports / total # boarding passes scanned by SSBPC ports) * 100.
9. The maximum percentage of passengers that may be regarded as "Premium" as a "premium" applies per individual airline and may in no way be transferred to another airline.
10. Schiphol reserves the right if the number of premium passengers exceeds the capacity of the resources consulted for the number of premium passages, in deviation from Article 8 and for a certain period, the maximum proportion of 15% premium passengers lower it to another number. This lower share is communicated account
Holding with a consultation period of 4 weeks and then applies to all airlines.
Monitoring and enforcement
11. Schiphol will monitor the amount of premium passengers per airline and test against the maximum share of premium passengers that is permitted. If the number of premium passengers exceeds this maximum, Schiphol will address the relevant airline and request the number of passengers to reduce premium status.
12. To this end, the airline will submit a proposal to Schiphol and indicate how the reduction of this share will be achieved and when the airline may have implemented this. This proposal must be offered to and discussed with the Schiphol Account Manager before the start of the new timetable.
13. If the airline also lets a too high proportion of premium passengers use the "priority passage" in the following periodic measurement, then Schiphol reserves the right, whether or not, all premium passengers of the….
9. The maximum percentage of passengers that may be regarded as "Premium" as a "premium" applies per individual airline and may in no way be transferred to another airline.
10. Schiphol reserves the right if the number of premium passengers exceeds the capacity of the resources consulted for the number of premium passages, in deviation from Article 8 and for a certain period, the maximum proportion of 15% premium passengers lower it to another number. This lower share is communicated account
Holding with a consultation period of 4 weeks and then applies to all airlines.
Monitoring and enforcement
11. Schiphol will monitor the amount of premium passengers per airline and test against the maximum share of premium passengers that is permitted. If the number of premium passengers exceeds this maximum, Schiphol will address the relevant airline and request the number of passengers to reduce premium status.
12. To this end, the airline will submit a proposal to Schiphol and indicate how the reduction of this share will be achieved and when the airline may have implemented this. This proposal must be offered to and discussed with the Schiphol Account Manager before the start of the new timetable.
13. If the airline also lets a too high proportion of premium passengers use the "priority passage" in the following periodic measurement, then Schiphol reserves the right, whether or not, all premium passengers of the….
No mention of a per user premium charge to the airline for each SkyPriority passenger?
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Jul 9, 2022, 3:20 pm
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Even if you don't read Dutch it should be easy to spot the two mentions of '15%' in the first document.
Edit; I see you edited your post. The extra line breaks are messing up the translation of paragraph 10; that paragraph states that if Schiphol decides that 15% of pax is too much they will set a lower percentage, possibly temporarily, and notify all airlines of this change to be implemented four weeks afterwards.
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Btw regarding the above discussion on the 15% and KLM; given that KL is Schiphol's largest customer by a huge margin I would not be surprised if they were instrumental in arriving at that percentage.
Edit; I see you edited your post. The extra line breaks are messing up the translation of paragraph 10; that paragraph states that if Schiphol decides that 15% of pax is too much they will set a lower percentage, possibly temporarily, and notify all airlines of this change to be implemented four weeks afterwards.
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Btw regarding the above discussion on the 15% and KLM; given that KL is Schiphol's largest customer by a huge margin I would not be surprised if they were instrumental in arriving at that percentage.
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Jul 9, 2022, 3:33 pm
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Even if you don't read Dutch it should be easy to spot the two mentions of '15%' in the first document.
Edit; I see you edited your post. The extra line breaks are messing up the translation of paragraph 10; that paragraph states that if Schiphol decides that 15% of pax is too much they will set a lower percentage, possibly temporarily, and notify all airlines of this change to be implemented four weeks afterwards.
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Btw regarding the above discussion on the 15% and KLM; given that KL is Schiphol's largest customer by a huge margin I would not be surprised if they were instrumental in arriving at that percentage.
Edit; I see you edited your post. The extra line breaks are messing up the translation of paragraph 10; that paragraph states that if Schiphol decides that 15% of pax is too much they will set a lower percentage, possibly temporarily, and notify all airlines of this change to be implemented four weeks afterwards.
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Btw regarding the above discussion on the 15% and KLM; given that KL is Schiphol's largest customer by a huge margin I would not be surprised if they were instrumental in arriving at that percentage.
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