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Old Jan 19, 2024, 4:22 pm
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Rollout Schedule:

HND-JFK (JL5/6)
- Every other day from 2024-01-24
- Daily from 2024-02-01

HND-DFW (JL11/12)
- Every other day from 2024-04-17, except between 2024-07-01 and 2024-07-25.

HND-JFK (JL3/4)
- JL4 Daily from 2024-07-01, except on July 3,6,9,12,15,18,21,24.
- JL3 Daily from 2024-07-02, except on July 4,7,10,13,16,19,22,25

HND-LHR (JL43/44)
- FY2024

A350 Production Status
By the end of FY2024, JAL expects to operate a total of 8 A350-1000s
JAL expects to introduce 11 A350-1000s by FY2025

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JA02WJ https://aviation.flights/aib/A350/628
JA03WJ https://aviation.flights/aib/A350/635

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MSN670 https://aviation.flights/aib/A350/670
MSN676 https://aviation.flights/aib/A350/676
MSN679 https://aviation.flights/aib/A350/679
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Old Jan 13, 2024, 10:45 pm
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Originally Posted by dontsh00t
I had my first Apex experience last week and I hated it (well, hated is a strong word for J). I'm a little smaller and shorter than the average passenger, and yet I had to be conscious of keeping my elbows close to me to avoid knocking against the side walls. There's definitely a lot of space in front of you, but i very much prefer that space to be around my torso like in a reverse herringbone seat. I was constantly looking for space to put stuff around me on the Apex suite. Maybe my experience would have been different if I had an aisle seat with the little cubby beside me, but the lack of privacy kinda negates one of the strongest selling points of Apex...

I very much prefer ANA's Room to Apex suites - even if the overall space per pax is smaller, it's used much more efficiently. JAL's new J looks like it would be an improvement on ANA's Room (smaller seat but potentially more storage space), so I'm excited to try it.
Hard disagree. Ultimately I think this is something that mostly comes down to size. The Room was awful as a 192+cm and 31cm footed person. Having the open air above you vs having the table/ife/etc intruding upon that leg/knee space is clutch.
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Old Jan 13, 2024, 11:55 pm
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Originally Posted by pesos
Hard disagree. Ultimately I think this is something that mostly comes down to size. The Room was awful as a 192+cm and 31cm footed person. Having the open air above you vs having the table/ife/etc intruding upon that leg/knee space is clutch.
Ha, I didn't think about that - we'll just have to agree to disagree then. I'm ~170cm and the Apex just felt like a tragic waste of space. I could feel the sides of the footwell in the Room when i moved my legs too much, but for my height I appreciated the space around my upper body much more than the space around my lower body.

Maybe some airlines will have different J seats on one plane to cater to different needs in future
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Old Jan 14, 2024, 12:03 am
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Originally Posted by dontsh00t
Ha, I didn't think about that - we'll just have to agree to disagree then. I'm ~170cm and the Apex just felt like a tragic waste of space. I could feel the sides of the footwell in the Room when i moved my legs too much, but for my height I appreciated the space around my upper body much more than the space around my lower body.

Maybe some airlines will have different J seats on one plane to cater to different needs in future
You probably fit just fine on buses and lots of other places too
One mans tragic waste of space is anothers critical personal space
Ive been very lucky to mostly fly F since covid started till now. Have an apex flight in a couple weeks (with JL, have only flown it with KE before) so I can refresh my thoughts on it.
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Old Jan 14, 2024, 2:07 am
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Originally Posted by pesos
You probably fit just fine on buses and lots of other places too
One mans tragic waste of space is anothers critical personal space
Ive been very lucky to mostly fly F since covid started till now. Have an apex flight in a couple weeks (with JL, have only flown it with KE before) so I can refresh my thoughts on it.
Tall people get an advantage in many other aspects of life, so don't feel sorry for yourself

That's the thing - in business class, tradeoffs still exist. You feel the legroom is critical, I feel the storage/arm space is critical, no single product (yet) does both.

F is where you can truly demand everything... you're lucky to mostly fly F!
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Old Jan 14, 2024, 4:38 am
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Originally Posted by dontsh00t
Ha, I didn't think about that - we'll just have to agree to disagree then. I'm ~170cm and the Apex just felt like a tragic waste of space. I could feel the sides of the footwell in the Room when i moved my legs too much, but for my height I appreciated the space around my upper body much more than the space around my lower body.

Maybe some airlines will have different J seats on one plane to cater to different needs in future
Height is only one aspect of it. You can be 170cm but wide like a sumo player then you wont feel comfortable in apex. FYI, SSII has lots of storage space but its a horrible seat. Avoid at all cost since apex is too narrow for you.
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Old Jan 15, 2024, 3:21 am
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Originally Posted by JALPak
Height is only one aspect of it. You can be 170cm but wide like a sumo player then you wont feel comfortable in apex. FYI, SSII has lots of storage space but its a horrible seat. Avoid at all cost since apex is too narrow for you.
Im about 172cm and wide. Maybe not sumo wrestler wide but still a wide body. Thinking Im not going to enjoy my JL Apex suite this summer.
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Old Jan 15, 2024, 3:57 am
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Originally Posted by diverg
I’m about 172cm and wide. Maybe not sumo wrestler wide but still a wide body. Thinking I’m not going to enjoy my JL Apex suite this summer.
I am sitting in an apex seat on a 789 right now and I don’t feel any tightness at all. Of course if you put your backpack next to you then it will be tight. I don’t need bunch of storage. They are nice to have but a tapered footwell is a deal killer for me. That’s why I don’t like the QSuite and even the old CX F seat. I probably won’t like the new JAL J seat either. If it has the same issue. I just can’t lie down comfortably if my feet are pushing against the walls.
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Old Jan 15, 2024, 4:10 am
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Originally Posted by JALPak
I am sitting in an apex seat on a 789 right now and I dont feel any tightness at all. Of course if you put your backpack next to you then it will be tight. I dont need bunch of storage. They are nice to have but a tapered footwell is a deal killer for me. Thats why I dont like the QSuite and even the old CX F seat. I probably wont like the new JAL J seat either. If it has the same issue. I just cant lie down comfortably if my feet are pushing against the walls.
exactly. storage is not at all important compared to being able to move my feet and knees around unobstructed
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Old Jan 15, 2024, 4:25 am
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Originally Posted by pesos
exactly. storage is not at all important compared to being able to move my feet and knees around unobstructed
I don't need much storage, I do need a small shelf for a CPAP machine, and there doesn't look like there is much of one. I need to go look again but I think I chose an aisle seat.
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Old Jan 15, 2024, 4:25 am
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Originally Posted by JALPak
I am sitting in an apex seat on a 789 right now and I dont feel any tightness at all. Of course if you put your backpack next to you then it will be tight. I dont need bunch of storage. They are nice to have but a tapered footwell is a deal killer for me. Thats why I dont like the QSuite and even the old CX F seat. I probably wont like the new JAL J seat either. If it has the same issue. I just cant lie down comfortably if my feet are pushing against the walls.
Are you a wide body guy like myself?
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Old Jan 15, 2024, 4:26 am
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Depending on your cable length I think there is a spot behind the head that might work
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Old Jan 15, 2024, 6:10 am
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Seems like there was a subdued media tour today which also included those who won the lottery for pre-selected JGC members although the planned flight was cancelled.
Hopefully more pictures will be coming out soon unless JAL requested it not to given the recent accident.

https://www.kinaishoku.com/archives/40968.html

Also, starting Jan 24, a new special entrance/mini-lounge only for First Class passengers will open at Haneda Airport.

https://www.jal.co.jp/jp/ja/inter/se...nge/hnd/first/
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Old Jan 15, 2024, 6:50 am
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Originally Posted by musashino22
Seems like there was a subdued media tour today which also included those who won the lottery for pre-selected JGC members although the planned flight was cancelled.
Hopefully more pictures will be coming out soon unless JAL requested it not to given the recent accident.

https://www.kinaishoku.com/archives/40968.html

Also, starting Jan 24, a new special entrance/mini-lounge only for First Class passengers will open at Haneda Airport.

https://www.jal.co.jp/jp/ja/inter/se...nge/hnd/first/
Good find. I wonder when JAL will update their English site to indicate that the F lounge sushi bar is back open?

Cant wait to try the F entrance lounge next week.
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Old Jan 15, 2024, 2:04 pm
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Anyone have a thought when they may start DFW? Got some tickets locked in for July so looking forward to hopefully trying the product. Flying from lax to dfw JUST to try it out.
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Old Jan 15, 2024, 7:15 pm
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Originally Posted by musashino22
Seems like there was a subdued media tour today which also included those who won the lottery for pre-selected JGC members although the planned flight was cancelled.
Hopefully more pictures will be coming out soon unless JAL requested it not to given the recent accident.

https://www.kinaishoku.com/archives/40968.html

Also, starting Jan 24, a new special entrance/mini-lounge only for First Class passengers will open at Haneda Airport.

https://www.jal.co.jp/jp/ja/inter/se...nge/hnd/first/
The first class entrance seems to have a soft opening already. A friend sent pictures from it today
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