New All Inclusive Award Categories & ALG Integration to WOH starting April 2022
#31
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Philadelphia
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Historically, the AIs for any brand have not delivered great elite benefits. Best I got was as a Hilton diamond at Hilton PdC which gave us free hydrotherapy access and the option of a room upgrade starting the next day (declined it as the room we got was great with a partial ocean view).
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The point pricing for these properties is being taken by me as an indication that the Hyatt points will continue on a devaluation course and remain on a steeper devaluation course than they used to be.
While having more properties in the Hyatt fold is nice in a way, redemption opportunities are a function not just of footprint but also of pricing in points.
While having more properties in the Hyatt fold is nice in a way, redemption opportunities are a function not just of footprint but also of pricing in points.
#33
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The point pricing for these properties is being taken by me as an indication that the Hyatt points will continue on a devaluation course and remain on a steeper devaluation course than they used to be.
While having more properties in the Hyatt fold is nice in a way, redemption opportunities are a function not just of footprint but also of pricing in points.
While having more properties in the Hyatt fold is nice in a way, redemption opportunities are a function not just of footprint but also of pricing in points.
#34
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Philadelphia
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The point pricing for these properties is being taken by me as an indication that the Hyatt points will continue on a devaluation course and remain on a steeper devaluation course than they used to be.
While having more properties in the Hyatt fold is nice in a way, redemption opportunities are a function not just of footprint but also of pricing in points.
While having more properties in the Hyatt fold is nice in a way, redemption opportunities are a function not just of footprint but also of pricing in points.
In what ways is this a devaluation? Until we find out which property/properties will get the new top level, it's hard to say for sure it is a deval, especially given that top level is still lower than Miraval.
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If you read my post carefully it is obvious that I’m talking about how this pricing change for Hyatt-affiliated A-I properties is being taken by me as being indicative that “the Hyatt points will continue on a devaluation course and remain on a steeper devaluation course than they used to be”.
Devaluations of the Hyatt hotel points before, now and in the future is all on Hyatt management. The “inevitability” of devaluations of the program points because of the existence of dollar-denominated inflation misses the boat. Devaluations of Hyatt points are only “inevitable” in the head because of the interests and decisions of company management.
Devaluations of the Hyatt hotel points before, now and in the future is all on Hyatt management. The “inevitability” of devaluations of the program points because of the existence of dollar-denominated inflation misses the boat. Devaluations of Hyatt points are only “inevitable” in the head because of the interests and decisions of company management.
#36
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Madison, WI
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Devaluations of the Hyatt hotel points before, now and in the future is all on Hyatt management. The “inevitability” of devaluations of the program points because of the existence of dollar-denominated inflation misses the boat. Devaluations of Hyatt points are only “inevitable” in the head because of the interests and decisions of company management.
It's kind of like saying inflation and room rates increasing is all on Hyatt management. There's an aspect of truth that the hotel could choose to keep their nightly rates constant over the last 10 years, but that's missing how economies work.
Say ADR used to be $150 and you would earn 10 points/dollar, so 10 nights * 1500 points will get you 1 free night at a category 4 hotel.
If due to inflation ADR is now $300, now you're earning 3000 points/night and only need 5 nights to get a free night at a cat4 hotel. When Hyatt created the program it was calibrated at a certain level, which has changed significantly. So I think it's totally fair and expected to change the points redemption rates. The points economy changes. Hyatt has held on far longer than the other brands.
#38
Join Date: Jan 2008
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I think you're incorrect there. I don't think that the dollar-denominated inflation misses the boat at all.
It's kind of like saying inflation and room rates increasing is all on Hyatt management. There's an aspect of truth that the hotel could choose to keep their nightly rates constant over the last 10 years, but that's missing how economies work.
Say ADR used to be $150 and you would earn 10 points/dollar, so 10 nights * 1500 points will get you 1 free night at a category 4 hotel.
If due to inflation ADR is now $300, now you're earning 3000 points/night and only need 5 nights to get a free night at a cat4 hotel. When Hyatt created the program it was calibrated at a certain level, which has changed significantly. So I think it's totally fair and expected to change the points redemption rates. The points economy changes. Hyatt has held on far longer than the other brands.
It's kind of like saying inflation and room rates increasing is all on Hyatt management. There's an aspect of truth that the hotel could choose to keep their nightly rates constant over the last 10 years, but that's missing how economies work.
Say ADR used to be $150 and you would earn 10 points/dollar, so 10 nights * 1500 points will get you 1 free night at a category 4 hotel.
If due to inflation ADR is now $300, now you're earning 3000 points/night and only need 5 nights to get a free night at a cat4 hotel. When Hyatt created the program it was calibrated at a certain level, which has changed significantly. So I think it's totally fair and expected to change the points redemption rates. The points economy changes. Hyatt has held on far longer than the other brands.
#39
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Philadelphia
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If you read my post carefully it is obvious that I’m talking about how this pricing change for Hyatt-affiliated A-I properties is being taken by me as being indicative that “the Hyatt points will continue on a devaluation course and remain on a steeper devaluation course than they used to be”.
Devaluations of the Hyatt hotel points before, now and in the future is all on Hyatt management. The “inevitability” of devaluations of the program points because of the existence of dollar-denominated inflation misses the boat. Devaluations of Hyatt points are only “inevitable” in the head because of the interests and decisions of company management.
Devaluations of the Hyatt hotel points before, now and in the future is all on Hyatt management. The “inevitability” of devaluations of the program points because of the existence of dollar-denominated inflation misses the boat. Devaluations of Hyatt points are only “inevitable” in the head because of the interests and decisions of company management.
"The “inevitability” of devaluations of the program points because of the existence of dollar-denominated inflation misses the boat." is kind of hard to reconcile, because as ADR goes up, the amount Hyatt has to reimburse properties for award nights increases as well due to how hotels are compensated for them. Yes, Hyatt could try paying them less over time, but that will only result in it becoming harder and harder to attract valuable properties. Hyatt could try absorbing the additional costs, but that can only go on for so long before they start losing money for paying hotels exponentially more for award nights over time while getting the same amount of dollars in revenue to bolster that award.
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Hyatt management could have done what it takes to avoid point devaluation by hedging against dollar-denominated inflation in room rates or whatever else [b]if[/]dollar-denominated inflation was really a prime driver for Hyatt point devaluations, but it’s not in Hyatt management’s interest to stem the points devaluation as they are eager beavers on delivering to financial market expectations to show growth of various sorts (including at the expense of consumers). And this A-I pricing in points is all on Hyatt and so are points devaluation, as Hyatt is the proverbial central bank in a closed system of sort when it comes to the use of the currency issued by the proverbial Central Bank of Hyatt.
#41
Join Date: Jun 2020
Posts: 446
When Hyatt released this new award chart for AI with top cat costs 50k/night, I was confused. Zoetry and Secrets resorts are priced similar or a little lower than Hyatt Ziva/Zilara, Breathless and Dreams are definitely lower, and Alua and Sunsacpe are far down the ladder. If top Ziva/Zilara properties like Cap Cana are only 25k/night, how could Hyatt justify AMR at 50k?
But now with the news that Ritz Carlton Reserve joins Bonvoy, I'm pretty sure Hyatt would have big announcement of very high class properties in near future. Could it be Sandals or could it be cruise lines? What do you think?
But now with the news that Ritz Carlton Reserve joins Bonvoy, I'm pretty sure Hyatt would have big announcement of very high class properties in near future. Could it be Sandals or could it be cruise lines? What do you think?
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#42
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Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Zulu Romeo Hotel
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Any Globalist experiences already regarding Dreams Playa Bonita in Panama?
is access to the Club granted?
any other Dreams experiences so far?
is access to the Club granted?
any other Dreams experiences so far?
#43
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Northern California
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Is there a list of ALL of the adults only properties in the hyatt portfolio somewhere? website does not allow one to filter for it, but it exists beyond these properties (alila napa, ventana, etc.)
#44
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: SFO
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secrets and breathless resorts are adults only AFAIK for the AMR properties. Miraval and Zilara are as well for the non-AMR. And you mentioned Napa and Ventana.