I have to agree with Steve001 and others. Whether you call it discouraging people, or not encouraging them ... isn't the purpose of all of these points, status, etc. to foster behaviors at the margin that might not have occurred "naturally"?
Much to my amazement -- the shift to points stays counting as credits as of the beginning of the year, getting a new WOH Chase Visa toward year's end -- I found myself over 70 nights in early December. Fashioned a few more Hyatt stays (and credit card spend) that might not have come about otherwise (location, motivation, timing) to hit 80 on the number. Substitute "100" for "70" and "110" for "80" and -- to me at least -- the same logic would obtain. I mean, if the argument is that the 100+ crowd have been rewarded "enough" already... well, that's the kind of thing my mother would say to us; i.e., a moral, not a commercial argument. Not saying any of us deserve it... just wondering why the logic that obtains between 70 and 80 (for Hyatt) shouldn't keep on keeping on? In fact -- and here I am just speculating -- might Hyatt's gains on breakage (awards, points, TSUs never used) be somewhat higher among the folks who are staying in hotels all the time anyhow? |
I explained the logic one post above: With rare exceptions, people staying more than 100 nights in a year in a hotel(s) are long-term stay people on cut rates. Giving huge rewards to long-term stay people — e.g., two free nights after each 10 nights* — so that a few disgruntled people don't spend 100 nights at Hyatt and 80 nights at Marriott would likely be a net loser for Hyatt (or any other chain).
(* Most long-term Hyatt stays are likely at places like Hyatt Place, which can be found for as few as 5,000 points/night.) |
Originally Posted by joe_miami
(Post 30591523)
I explained the logic one post above: With rare exceptions, people staying more than 100 nights in a year in a hotel(s) are long-term stay people on cut rates. Giving huge rewards to long-term stay people — e.g., two free nights after each 10 nights* — so that a few disgruntled people don't spend 100 nights at Hyatt and 80 nights at Marriott would likely be a net loser for Hyatt (or any other chain).
(* Most long-term Hyatt stays are likely at places like Hyatt Place, which can be found for as few as 5,000 points/night.) |
Originally Posted by LASUA1K
(Post 30592053)
i’m not sure this is true. I’ll be at 160 nights this year between Hyatt/Marriott, most of my stays are 1 or 2 nights. My longest stay is 5 nights for a trade show. |
Originally Posted by joe_miami
(Post 30592071)
You're one of the exceptions I mentioned. People averaging 1.5 nights on ~100 different stays are a small minority of the people in the 100+ night club.
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Originally Posted by LASUA1K
(Post 30592118)
Everyone I work with and everyone in my industry have the same patterns as I do. :) It’s hard to do it, but I love my job. If hotel chains thought that rewarding people past 100 nights would be a net winner for them, at least one of them would be doing it. But none are doing so, are they? It would be possible to live in various Hyatt hotels for ~$1,200/month if Hyatt started rewarding people for every 10 nights. |
I have no idea how rare or common it is, but one of the Houston based properties where I occasionally stay told me about 20% of their rooms have been continually occupied by the same people since hurricane Harvey, more than 16 months ago. These aren't displaced persons on some sort of subsidized rate, but are insurance and disaster recovery folks paying long term rates. They are earning WoH benefits and the front desk agent joked that every one of her guests was a Glob. I'm just guessing here, but I don't think Hyatt would want to give these guests a 300K point bonus for this year.
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Originally Posted by skj
(Post 30592166)
I have no idea how rare or common it is, but one of the Houston based properties where I occasionally stay told me about 20% of their rooms have been continually occupied by the same people since hurricane Harvey, more than 16 months ago. These aren't displaced persons on some sort of subsidized rate, but are insurance and disaster recovery folks paying long term rates. They are earning WoH benefits and the front desk agent joked that every one of her guests was a Glob. I'm just guessing here, but I don't think Hyatt would want to give these guests a 300K point bonus for this year.
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Originally Posted by LASUA1K
(Post 30592053)
i’m not sure this is true. I’ll be at 160 nights this year between Hyatt/Marriott, most of my stays are 1 or 2 nights. My longest stay is 5 nights for a trade show. |
Originally Posted by skj
(Post 30592166)
I have no idea how rare or common it is, but one of the Houston based properties where I occasionally stay told me about 20% of their rooms have been continually occupied by the same people since hurricane Harvey, more than 16 months ago. These aren't displaced persons on some sort of subsidized rate, but are insurance and disaster recovery folks paying long term rates. They are earning WoH benefits and the front desk agent joked that every one of her guests was a Glob. I'm just guessing here, but I don't think Hyatt would want to give these guests a 300K point bonus for this year.
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Originally Posted by VegasGambler
(Post 30597878)
I've always been curious about this. Would a mid-to-high end hotel (say a cat 5 or 6 GH) offer long-term rates like this? How much cheaper than "regular" rates are they? And would you get full WoH benefits as if they were "regular" nights?
In the past, Hyatt stays past a certain number of nights stopped accruing GP points, but that cap seems to have gone away. I asked above when that happened, but no one has replied. |
Originally Posted by joe_miami
(Post 30591523)
I explained the logic one post above: With rare exceptions, people staying more than 100 nights in a year in a hotel(s) are long-term stay people on cut rates. Giving huge rewards to long-term stay people — e.g., two free nights after each 10 nights* — so that a few disgruntled people don't spend 100 nights at Hyatt and 80 nights at Marriott would likely be a net loser for Hyatt (or any other chain).
(* Most long-term Hyatt stays are likely at places like Hyatt Place, which can be found for as few as 5,000 points/night.) I think you're overestimating the long-term pool and underestimating the number of people who travel for the Big 3, Big 4, and all the smaller consulting firms that make up the bulk of your road warriors in the 100+ range. |
Originally Posted by LASUA1K
(Post 30592053)
i’m not sure this is true. I’ll be at 160 nights this year between Hyatt/Marriott, most of my stays are 1 or 2 nights. My longest stay is 5 nights for a trade show.
I often travel to places with no Hyatt properties, so I'll never be able to give Hyatt 100% of my room nights. Therefore, a second hotel program is a necessity. I choose to fill this necessity with Starwood (now Marriott). I probably stay 40 nights a year in places with no Hyatt. But decent status at Marriott occurs at 50 (min) to 70 (decent) nights a year. So, I do exactly as others in this forum have posted: max out the Hyatt bonuses at 100 nights, then Starriott gets the rest. I stay in a hotel about 185 nights a year. If Hyatt were to continue their incremental bonus program past 100 nights, then Hyatt would probably get more of my business, at least another 30 nights a year. |
Originally Posted by esquesk
(Post 30602797)
I think you're overestimating the long-term pool and underestimating the number of people who travel for the Big 3, Big 4, and all the smaller consulting firms that make up the bulk of your road warriors in the 100+ range.
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Originally Posted by joe_miami
(Post 30604666)
Again, these numbers are easy to run. If this was a clear win for hotel chains, why are none doing it?
I guess you'd never encourage anybody to be the first to do anything. |
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