Apr 2, 2023, 5:01 pm
Last edit by: cblaisd
Hilton Properties Devalued 5k → 10k & 10k → 20k for standard award:
[NAME] [OLD RATE] [NEW RATE]
Loyalty Lobby Article with the List of Hotels that Changed: https://loyaltylobby.com/2019/06/17/hilton-honors-award-chart-changes-june-2019/
[NAME] [OLD RATE] [NEW RATE]
Loyalty Lobby Article with the List of Hotels that Changed: https://loyaltylobby.com/2019/06/17/hilton-honors-award-chart-changes-june-2019/
Consolidated "Points Devaluation" thread
Mar 7, 2017, 12:24 pm
#1156
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: MD/DC
Programs: Hilton Diamond, IHG Platinum, Marriott Titanium, TK Gold
Posts: 1,536
I see many hotels offering standard rooms for the number of points that is lower that the low season before the changes, for example, Conrad St James in London that was 70K in low season and now offers rooms at 66K points for some dates. There are other examples as well. So, there is definitely a differentiation, maybe, not based on a particular season but there are some good deals for standard rooms.
Standard rooms are priced pegged to the actual $ amount (with 0.005 pt/$ ratio) until the maximum (which is the old high season maximal).
So if the standard room is cheap, it would cost less points.
If the standard room is expensive, it would cost more points and the price will be capped at the old high season maximum.
In other words:
If Price in $ / 0.005 < Max high season then Price in Points = Price in $ / 0.005, else Price in Points = Max high Season
Mar 7, 2017, 12:30 pm
#1157
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: MD/DC
Programs: Hilton Diamond, IHG Platinum, Marriott Titanium, TK Gold
Posts: 1,536
The one thing I'm curious about but did not tried yet is what would happen with the dynamic pricing (i.e., less than the maximum) varies in different days combined with the 5 day free.
Interesting to see what would be the pricing algorithm there.
Interesting to see what would be the pricing algorithm there.
Mar 7, 2017, 1:20 pm
#1158
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 3,786
I found a hotel that the rate varies wildly from day to day ($160 to $320) within 5 days. It seems that the point for standard room is very close to the cash total for 5 nights * 0.005 * 0.80 (5th night free). And if that number is over the max points high season for that hotel x 4, it drops to exactly max x 4.
Mar 7, 2017, 6:50 pm
#1159
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: Los Angeles
Programs: MileagePlus 1K, Skymiles, HHonors Silver, Marriott Gold
Posts: 77
Another data point to add... from my last personal trip, redeemed the following:
Hilton Garden Inn Bali Ngurah Rai Airport:
In January 2017 - 5,000 points/night (category 1)
Now - 13,000 points/night (lowest I found)
DoubleTree by Hilton Hotel Kuala Lumpur
In February 2017 - 10,000 points/night (category 2)
Now - 22,000 points/night (lowest I found)
Admittedly, these were fantastic values as category 1/2 hotels, but this represents more than a 50% devaluation in point value. Very disappointing!
On the bright side, this devaluation makes the airline miles exchange rates seem more reasonable, by comparison.
Hilton Garden Inn Bali Ngurah Rai Airport:
In January 2017 - 5,000 points/night (category 1)
Now - 13,000 points/night (lowest I found)
DoubleTree by Hilton Hotel Kuala Lumpur
In February 2017 - 10,000 points/night (category 2)
Now - 22,000 points/night (lowest I found)
Admittedly, these were fantastic values as category 1/2 hotels, but this represents more than a 50% devaluation in point value. Very disappointing!
On the bright side, this devaluation makes the airline miles exchange rates seem more reasonable, by comparison.
Mar 7, 2017, 7:07 pm
#1160
Join Date: Dec 2004
Programs: UA-1K, MM, Hilton-Diamond, Marriott-Titanium
Posts: 4,432
Another data point to add... from my last personal trip, redeemed the following:
Hilton Garden Inn Bali Ngurah Rai Airport:
In January 2017 - 5,000 points/night (category 1)
Now - 13,000 points/night (lowest I found)
DoubleTree by Hilton Hotel Kuala Lumpur
In February 2017 - 10,000 points/night (category 2)
Now - 22,000 points/night (lowest I found)
Admittedly, these were fantastic values as category 1/2 hotels, but this represents more than a 50% devaluation in point value. Very disappointing!
On the bright side, this devaluation makes the airline miles exchange rates seem more reasonable, by comparison.
Hilton Garden Inn Bali Ngurah Rai Airport:
In January 2017 - 5,000 points/night (category 1)
Now - 13,000 points/night (lowest I found)
DoubleTree by Hilton Hotel Kuala Lumpur
In February 2017 - 10,000 points/night (category 2)
Now - 22,000 points/night (lowest I found)
Admittedly, these were fantastic values as category 1/2 hotels, but this represents more than a 50% devaluation in point value. Very disappointing!
On the bright side, this devaluation makes the airline miles exchange rates seem more reasonable, by comparison.
DT KL was my go to redemption for five nights. Now I'll look elsewhere. None of my future awards have gone down. None.
Mar 7, 2017, 11:13 pm
#1161
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Antwerpen - Belgium
Programs: HHonors Diamond, Melia Silver, NH silver, H10 Class
Posts: 659
Another data point to add... from my last personal trip, redeemed the following:
DoubleTree by Hilton Hotel Kuala Lumpur
In February 2017 - 10,000 points/night (category 2)
Now - 22,000 points/night (lowest I found)
Admittedly, these were fantastic values as category 1/2 hotels, but this represents more than a 50% devaluation in point value. Very disappointing!
DoubleTree by Hilton Hotel Kuala Lumpur
In February 2017 - 10,000 points/night (category 2)
Now - 22,000 points/night (lowest I found)
Admittedly, these were fantastic values as category 1/2 hotels, but this represents more than a 50% devaluation in point value. Very disappointing!
Mar 8, 2017, 3:51 am
#1162
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 11,590
Another data point to add... from my last personal trip, redeemed the following:
Hilton Garden Inn Bali Ngurah Rai Airport:
In January 2017 - 5,000 points/night (category 1)
Now - 13,000 points/night (lowest I found)
DoubleTree by Hilton Hotel Kuala Lumpur
In February 2017 - 10,000 points/night (category 2)
Now - 22,000 points/night (lowest I found)
Admittedly, these were fantastic values as category 1/2 hotels, but this represents more than a 50% devaluation in point value. Very disappointing!
On the bright side, this devaluation makes the airline miles exchange rates seem more reasonable, by comparison.
Hilton Garden Inn Bali Ngurah Rai Airport:
In January 2017 - 5,000 points/night (category 1)
Now - 13,000 points/night (lowest I found)
DoubleTree by Hilton Hotel Kuala Lumpur
In February 2017 - 10,000 points/night (category 2)
Now - 22,000 points/night (lowest I found)
Admittedly, these were fantastic values as category 1/2 hotels, but this represents more than a 50% devaluation in point value. Very disappointing!
On the bright side, this devaluation makes the airline miles exchange rates seem more reasonable, by comparison.
Mar 8, 2017, 4:22 am
#1163
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: coastal Croatia
Programs: BAEC Gold, M&M Senator
Posts: 2,181
By the way, the rate is like $42 a night advanced purchase (before taxes). The refundable Honors member rate is $62 a night including taxes. So the value per point (using 15K a night) is 0.41 cents including taxes using the premium room rate which is in line with other properties these days for "premium" rooms. Not saying it's fair, just saying it's what Hilton is doing these days.
Last edited by eefor jfp; Mar 8, 2017 at 4:26 am Reason: fixed first paragraph
Mar 8, 2017, 5:29 am
#1164
Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: Saint-Petersburg, RU
Programs: IHG Spire, HH Diamond
Posts: 26
Another data point to add... from my last personal trip, redeemed the following:
Hilton Garden Inn Bali Ngurah Rai Airport:
In January 2017 - 5,000 points/night (category 1)
Now - 13,000 points/night (lowest I found)
DoubleTree by Hilton Hotel Kuala Lumpur
In February 2017 - 10,000 points/night (category 2)
Now - 22,000 points/night (lowest I found)
Admittedly, these were fantastic values as category 1/2 hotels, but this represents more than a 50% devaluation in point value. Very disappointing!
On the bright side, this devaluation makes the airline miles exchange rates seem more reasonable, by comparison.
Hilton Garden Inn Bali Ngurah Rai Airport:
In January 2017 - 5,000 points/night (category 1)
Now - 13,000 points/night (lowest I found)
DoubleTree by Hilton Hotel Kuala Lumpur
In February 2017 - 10,000 points/night (category 2)
Now - 22,000 points/night (lowest I found)
Admittedly, these were fantastic values as category 1/2 hotels, but this represents more than a 50% devaluation in point value. Very disappointing!
On the bright side, this devaluation makes the airline miles exchange rates seem more reasonable, by comparison.
You are checking via flexible dates. It is glitched, as was already said in this thread.
Just check it day by day - all 5K and 10K rates are there.
Mar 8, 2017, 6:32 am
#1165
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: coastal Croatia
Programs: BAEC Gold, M&M Senator
Posts: 2,181
I can get the system to show me 5000 on the splash page but when I click through, I only see 15,000 min for the deluxe room as a premium award. What dates did you get 5000 points for?
Mar 8, 2017, 7:48 am
#1166
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: IND
Programs: AAdvantage Executive Platinum, HHonors Diamond, National Executive
Posts: 1,297
Just before this news dropped, I fortunately booked five nights at the Hilton Barbados for 200,000 points (50,000 points per night with the fifth night free)... today that same stay would cost me significantly more with a varied amount of points each night.
Night 1: 63,000
Night 2: 70,000
Night 3: 63,000
Night 4: 63,000
Night 5: 46,000
If you consider the fifth night free, this stay would cost me 259,000 points today, which is an increase of 59,000 points over what I paid last week.
Night 1: 63,000
Night 2: 70,000
Night 3: 63,000
Night 4: 63,000
Night 5: 46,000
If you consider the fifth night free, this stay would cost me 259,000 points today, which is an increase of 59,000 points over what I paid last week.
Mar 8, 2017, 8:00 am
#1167
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 3,786
Just before this news dropped, I fortunately booked five nights at the Hilton Barbados for 200,000 points (50,000 points per night with the fifth night free)... today that same stay would cost me significantly more with a varied amount of points each night.
Night 1: 63,000
Night 2: 70,000
Night 3: 63,000
Night 4: 63,000
Night 5: 46,000
If you consider the fifth night free, this stay would cost me 259,000 points today, which is an increase of 59,000 points over what I paid last week.
Night 1: 63,000
Night 2: 70,000
Night 3: 63,000
Night 4: 63,000
Night 5: 46,000
If you consider the fifth night free, this stay would cost me 259,000 points today, which is an increase of 59,000 points over what I paid last week.
Mar 8, 2017, 8:33 am
#1168
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: On strike
Posts: 8,135
Just before this news dropped, I fortunately booked five nights at the Hilton Barbados for 200,000 points (50,000 points per night with the fifth night free)... today that same stay would cost me significantly more with a varied amount of points each night.
Night 1: 63,000
Night 2: 70,000
Night 3: 63,000
Night 4: 63,000
Night 5: 46,000
If you consider the fifth night free, this stay would cost me 259,000 points today, which is an increase of 59,000 points over what I paid last week.
Night 1: 63,000
Night 2: 70,000
Night 3: 63,000
Night 4: 63,000
Night 5: 46,000
If you consider the fifth night free, this stay would cost me 259,000 points today, which is an increase of 59,000 points over what I paid last week.
Mar 8, 2017, 10:57 am
#1169
Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: Saint-Petersburg, RU
Programs: IHG Spire, HH Diamond
Posts: 26
In this case you must check the "Show Accessible Rooms" box, cause sadly only this type of room has left for that day as a standart reward. I see it for 12 Sep at HGI Bali for example.
It's ok to book it, IMO. Just tell the hotel that you need. If they declined to change/upgrade the room you can always cancel your reservation.
Mar 8, 2017, 11:13 am
#1170
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: YVR, HNL
Programs: AS 75k, UA peon, BA Bronze, AC E50k, Marriott Plat, HH Diamond, Fairmont Plat (RIP)
Posts: 7,834
Conrad London St. James went from 32,000 + £116 to 32,000 + £307.68!
Not happy. I had it booked fully on points and wanted to change it to P&M. I tried to change it the day the change was announced (back in Jan) but before it was implemented but they had removed all P&M options. I called in and was told they had suspended P&M bookings until the new rates were in place so they would not allow me to book the 32k + £116 even though I was fully 1 month+ before the changes, and still 9 months prior to my stay. Poor service all around.
Not happy. I had it booked fully on points and wanted to change it to P&M. I tried to change it the day the change was announced (back in Jan) but before it was implemented but they had removed all P&M options. I called in and was told they had suspended P&M bookings until the new rates were in place so they would not allow me to book the 32k + £116 even though I was fully 1 month+ before the changes, and still 9 months prior to my stay. Poor service all around.