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warakorn Feb 28, 2019 8:26 am
Do you want to take chance to be identified as IAF plane, when crossing from Indian into Pakistani airspace?

ffay005 Feb 28, 2019 8:27 am
Originally Posted by OH-LGG (Post 30830924)
AY traffic running normally.

Only DEL AY121 is retimed to depart 15 min earlier and AY144 from BKK will make tech stop in DWC.

And some late arrivals from Asia, Like AY162 from SGN 13hrs flighttime.
Phew! They better stop fighting down there and not mess up my Plat runs to DEL in April!

jakas Feb 28, 2019 11:16 am
Originally Posted by ffay005 (Post 30831389)
Phew! They better stop fighting down there and not mess up my Plat runs to DEL in April!
same here but I think its all PEACE now as of now 28.02.2019

HMPS Feb 28, 2019 12:23 pm
Originally Posted by jakas (Post 30832061)
same here but I think its all PEACE now as of now 28.02.2019
Rest easy. Neither wants an all out war, least the Pakistanis as in a major war they will be decimated very quickly. INdia is a peace loving country, never invaded others.

ffay005 Feb 28, 2019 12:39 pm
Originally Posted by OH-LGG (Post 30830924)
And some late arrivals from Asia, Like AY162 from SGN 13hrs flighttime.
So this was nonstop? How many kms was the flightpath? PVR is scheduled at "only" 12h 20 min and it's 9975 km.

FFlash Feb 28, 2019 12:47 pm
FA just said they rerouted 500 pax on her workday

OH-LGG Feb 28, 2019 12:54 pm
Originally Posted by ffay005 (Post 30832410)
So this was nonstop? How many kms was the flightpath? PVR is scheduled at "only" 12h 20 min and it's 9975 km.
162 was nonstop.

AY142 flew over 12hrs from Bangkok and the Climax waited in HEL. OH-LWB suffered a hydraulic tech and emergency vehicles secured landing and after landing plane had to stop at the end of runway and was towed to the gate. It took 30 minutes more. :o

Superrman Mar 1, 2019 5:07 pm
Originally Posted by PAKISTAN CIVIL AVIATION AUTHORITY
PAKISTAN AIRSPACE WILL REMAIN CLOSED FOR ALL OPERATIONS TILL
04TH MARCH 2019,TIME 0800 UTC(EST) EXCEPT THE FOLLOWING:

FLIGHT OPERATIONS ONLY TO/FROM KARACHI INTERNATIONAL, PESHAWAR
INTERNATIONAL, QUETTA INTERNATIONAL AND ISLAMABAD INTERNATIONAL
AIRPORTS WITH RESTRICTED ENTRY/EXIT AS FOLLOWS WILL BE AVAILABLE...
Situation with delay/disruption is continuing for a few more days.

OH-LGG Mar 2, 2019 12:38 am
Today Thailand arrivals AY142 and AY152 moved to Laos, China, Russia routing. Saving flight time few hours. AY142 even faster than scheduled 10:55 on basic routing.

Courmisch Mar 2, 2019 3:47 am
There must a reason why Finnair does not normally take the shorter route over Tibet. Is it just that China is charging too much?

Superrman Mar 2, 2019 4:14 am
Originally Posted by Courmisch (Post 30838205)
There must a reason why Finnair does not normally take the shorter route over Tibet. Is it just that China is charging too much?
From some quick Googling, safety issues due to altitude seem to be the main reason. Average altitude in Tibetan plateau is around 5000m, this prevents standard drift-down procedures in case of engine loss or drop in cabin pressure. Not even factoring in the Himalayas with 8000m+ mountains. (Usual procedure upon loss of oxygen is to drop down to 10000ft/3048m altitude, not always possible over Tibet).

If this is all wrong, please let me know. Can't always trust the internet :D

reflektia Mar 2, 2019 7:12 am
Originally Posted by Superrman (Post 30838247)
From some quick Googling, safety issues due to altitude seem to be the main reason. Average altitude in Tibetan plateau is around 5000m, this prevents standard drift-down procedures in case of engine loss or drop in cabin pressure. Not even factoring in the Himalayas with 8000m+ mountains. (Usual procedure upon loss of oxygen is to drop down to 10000ft/3048m altitude, not always possible over Tibet).

If this is all wrong, please let me know. Can't always trust the internet :D
IIRC a340 could go over himalayas, it has issues with twin motor airplane due problems arising with single motor failure.

this also from internets and might be wrong

fransknorge Mar 2, 2019 11:02 am
Originally Posted by Courmisch (Post 30838205)
There must a reason why Finnair does not normally take the shorter route over Tibet. Is it just that China is charging too much?
Looking at FR24 you can see there are virtually no flights over Tibet, due to the high altitude of the Himalaya and the plateau. A depressurisation would be a disaster.

seldomrfly Mar 2, 2019 12:24 pm
Seems like Thai are cruising over the plateau atm.
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...41f30d66ad.png

OH-LGG Mar 2, 2019 12:53 pm
Originally Posted by seldomrfly (Post 30839559)
Seems like Thai are cruising over the plateau atm.
There is no FR24 coverage and all positions are estimated and not following real flight paths.


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