Pakistan air space closure
 

AY132 arrives at 7:30, will wreck a lot of morning connections.

Ground care they are legally obligated to give, but compensation will fall outside EU261 I beleive since this is due to a govt action!

I don't see anything open yet except for the open sky without planes ;)
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What is mostly re-opened?

Today 3 AY planes made technical stop in DWC and no effects on any departing long haul departing HEL.

It's not reopening until end of tomorrow.
Finnair has been able to handle the delay to all three planes today, without incurring cascading delays.

Connections will be missed, but that's got nothing to do with fleet size and will affect all airlines.

But nice try as far as trolling is concerned!

Compensation is not due for force majeure. And I bet you have nothing to substantiate your claims about ground care.

"look at us poor country, forced to close airspace".

Sounds more like a PR ploy

Airspace closure is big economic loss for Pakistan itself too, doubtful that there is no legitimate reason. Yesterday one/two (depending on source) IAF aircraft were shot down, don't want a potential repeat of MH17 alongside this.

Latest NOTAM from Pakistan Civil Aviation Authority signals closure of airspace until 1903010800 UTC (March 1st 8 AM UTC)

https://www.caapakistan.com.pk/notams/notamview.aspx

AY traffic running normally.

Only DEL AY121 is retimed to depart 15 min earlier and AY144 from BKK will make tech stop in DWC.

And some late arrivals from Asia, Like AY162 from SGN 13hrs flighttime.

Off-topic, but I found it somewhat surprising that TG had such big disruption yesterday. EU-BKK is highly reliant on Pakistan corridor, but other airlines were able to manage better. Tighter margins/worse at preparing for IRROP perhaps?

TG opened the sky today by using China routing to Europe. Like VN moved to China routing on VN55 from HAN to LHR

True, although can still expect delay as most direct route over Tibet plateau not open nor viable for commercial flight.

Do you want to take chance to be identified as IAF plane, when crossing from Indian into Pakistani airspace?

Phew! They better stop fighting down there and not mess up my Plat runs to DEL in April!

same here but I think its all PEACE now as of now 28.02.2019

So this was nonstop? How many kms was the flightpath? PVR is scheduled at "only" 12h 20 min and it's 9975 km.

162 was nonstop.

AY142 flew over 12hrs from Bangkok and the Climax waited in HEL. OH-LWB suffered a hydraulic tech and emergency vehicles secured landing and after landing plane had to stop at the end of runway and was towed to the gate. It took 30 minutes more. :o

Situation with delay/disruption is continuing for a few more days.

Today Thailand arrivals AY142 and AY152 moved to Laos, China, Russia routing. Saving flight time few hours. AY142 even faster than scheduled 10:55 on basic routing.

There must a reason why Finnair does not normally take the shorter route over Tibet. Is it just that China is charging too much?

From some quick Googling, safety issues due to altitude seem to be the main reason. Average altitude in Tibetan plateau is around 5000m, this prevents standard drift-down procedures in case of engine loss or drop in cabin pressure. Not even factoring in the Himalayas with 8000m+ mountains. (Usual procedure upon loss of oxygen is to drop down to 10000ft/3048m altitude, not always possible over Tibet).

If this is all wrong, please let me know. Can't always trust the internet :D

IIRC a340 could go over himalayas, it has issues with twin motor airplane due problems arising with single motor failure.

this also from internets and might be wrong

Seems like Thai are cruising over the plateau atm.
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There is no FR24 coverage and all positions are estimated and not following real flight paths.

True.
Blue line behind the plane is real coverage.
Black/Dark grey is estimated route.

That's what I had in mind, too. It's a looong flight, and I wonder what the odds are that a fuel stop is necessary. A350-900 should have a range of 15 000 km and SGN-DWC-HEL, which imitates the route pretty well, is only 10206 km. Should be fine, I guess.

Hello. I am actually in a sticky situation with Finnair right now. I was on the DEL-HEL on 28th Feb. Due to very last minute change I had to fly straight from HEL to MAD and bought a oneway HEL-MAD ticket on Finnair. Of course as I landed the gate was closed. Went to gate 31 customer service desk, where they told me, sorry there is nothing we can do for you today, but we can put you on a flight tomorrow, which was not good enough as I really needed to make it to Madrid that night. Then the polite lady told me, OK ... we will issue you a full refund and I bought a oneway ticket for KLM that was leaving shortly.
Only to be told last week by Finnair. Sorry you cancelled your flight after departure, no refund will be given. I complained again to the web form, but so far no anwser. It was not a cheapest ticket of them all, so refund would be widely appreciated.

Not really in my experience AY only acts if the problem is already there. Once I flew out of PRG to HEL onwards to BKK, the in bound flight to PRG was about 3 hours late, I called them and ask them if they can reroute me on another airline, they declined. I flow to HEL, got my connection missed message, was booked into the Hilton and flew on the next day (lucky me I got the compensation since it was technical).

Are there any other flights to MAN on that day (with other airlines), then they may rebook you. Also they possible wait if too many pax are missing the connection.

We don't know what the situation will be like in early April, and if you contact AY now, they'll most likely do nothing and ask you to wait.

If the problem persists, you could try to call them a few days prior to your flights, and have a suggestion ready, suggesting alternative AY flights. I don't believe they are willing to proactively move you to another carrier. There is a BKK-LHR flight on BA that would take you to LHR at 18:30, in time for the 20:30 to MAN, but I'd be amazed if AY lets you do this.

So should that fail, I'd be prepared for a HEL-LHR-MAN flight the same evening (if there is such a connection; seems to me the last LHR-MAN flight on BA is at 20:30, which does not work for you) or the morning flight HEL-MAN the next day. I find it unlikely that they will present you with this solution at BKK, so you'll need to contact ground staff at HEL.

You were on separate tickets and simply no showed for your departure from HEL. Thus, your ticket was cancelled and it retains whatever value it had under its fare rules. I presume that to be EUR 0, although you should still be able to obtain a refund of the taxes less a service fee (which may also not be worthwhile.

The agent who advised that the ticket would be refunded likely had no authority to do so. Nonetheless, you could frame your request to AY as being a promise. If you have the individual's name, you should include that. If not, provide a description and the specific location where you interacted.