Pakistan air space closure

Old Feb 27, 19, 12:15 pm
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Pakistan air space closure

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Due to airspace closure of Pakistan, some Finnair flights are unfortunately disrupted on 27 and 28 Feb 2019. Our flight AY121 on Feb 27 from Helsinki to Delhi and the flight AY122 on Feb 28 from Delhi to Helsinki have been cancelled.

On flights between Helsinki and Thailand, Vietnam and Singapore there are delays due to longer flight routes and possible fueling stops. The airspace closure does not affect our flights to/from China and Japan.
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Old Feb 27, 19, 12:16 pm
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AY132 arrives at 7:30, will wreck a lot of morning connections.
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Old Feb 27, 19, 12:48 pm
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Mostly re-opened already. Will mostly affect airlines that have really tight fleet situation, e.g. Finnair, esp. their long haul operations. Even one diversion to Dubai has substantial effect on their next day operations, let alone many diversions as today. Good luck with getting any compensation or ground care.
Ground care they are legally obligated to give, but compensation will fall outside EU261 I beleive since this is due to a govt action!
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Old Feb 27, 19, 12:53 pm
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Mostly re-opened already..
I don't see anything open yet except for the open sky without planes
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Old Feb 27, 19, 12:58 pm
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Pakistan Notam

A0200/19 (Issued for OPKR OPLR) PAKISTAN AIRSPACE IS CLOSED. 27 FEB 07:30 2019 UNTIL 28 FEB 23:59 2019 ESTIMATED. CREATED: 27 FEB 07:32 2019

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Originally Posted by Bdsm View Post
Mostly re-opened already. Will mostly affect airlines that have really tight fleet situation, e.g. Finnair, esp. their long haul operations. Even one diversion to Dubai has substantial effect on their next day operations, let alone many diversions as today. Good luck with getting any compensation or ground care.
What is mostly re-opened?

Today 3 AY planes made technical stop in DWC and no effects on any departing long haul departing HEL.
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Old Feb 27, 19, 1:12 pm
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Originally Posted by Bdsm View Post
Mostly re-opened already.
It's not reopening until end of tomorrow.
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Will mostly affect airlines that have really tight fleet situation, e.g. Finnair, esp. their long haul operations. Even one diversion to Dubai has substantial effect on their next day operations
Finnair has been able to handle the delay to all three planes today, without incurring cascading delays.

Connections will be missed, but that's got nothing to do with fleet size and will affect all airlines.

But nice try as far as trolling is concerned!

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let alone many diversions as today. Good luck with getting any compensation or ground care.
Compensation is not due for force majeure. And I bet you have nothing to substantiate your claims about ground care.
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Pakistan Notam

A0200/19 (Issued for OPKR OPLR) PAKISTAN AIRSPACE IS CLOSED. 27 FEB 07:30 2019 UNTIL 28 FEB 23:59 2019 ESTIMATED. CREATED: 27 FEB 07:32 2019

"look at us poor country, forced to close airspace".

Sounds more like a PR ploy
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Originally Posted by HMPS View Post
"look at us poor country, forced to close airspace".

Sounds more like a PR ploy
Airspace closure is big economic loss for Pakistan itself too, doubtful that there is no legitimate reason. Yesterday one/two (depending on source) IAF aircraft were shot down, don't want a potential repeat of MH17 alongside this.
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Latest NOTAM from Pakistan Civil Aviation Authority signals closure of airspace until 1903010800 UTC (March 1st 8 AM UTC)

https://www.caapakistan.com.pk/notams/notamview.aspx
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AY traffic running normally.

Only DEL AY121 is retimed to depart 15 min earlier and AY144 from BKK will make tech stop in DWC.

And some late arrivals from Asia, Like AY162 from SGN 13hrs flighttime.
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Old Feb 28, 19, 7:03 am
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Originally Posted by OH-LGG View Post
AY traffic running normally.

Only DEL AY121 is retimed to depart 15 min earlier and AY144 from BKK will make tech stop in DWC.

And some late arrivals from Asia, Like AY162 from SGN 13hrs flighttime.
Off-topic, but I found it somewhat surprising that TG had such big disruption yesterday. EU-BKK is highly reliant on Pakistan corridor, but other airlines were able to manage better. Tighter margins/worse at preparing for IRROP perhaps?
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TG opened the sky today by using China routing to Europe. Like VN moved to China routing on VN55 from HAN to LHR
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Originally Posted by OH-LGG View Post
TG opened the sky today by using China routing to Europe. Like VN moved to China routing on VN55 from HAN to LHR
True, although can still expect delay as most direct route over Tibet plateau not open nor viable for commercial flight.
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