Finnair Plus will get ”fantastic new improvements”
Jan 18, 2018, 10:58 pm
#76
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Seat 1L these days :)
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Jan 19, 2018, 3:07 pm
#78
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: HEL
Programs: AY+ Plat (OWE)
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But an improvement for anyone with Jr's in the family apparently in the horizon later in 2018...
Last edited by ff_flyer; Jan 19, 2018 at 3:45 pm
Jan 20, 2018, 1:06 am
#81
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Instead, I as a platinum now has points going to expire soon, for the first time in 9 years. Great change...
Jan 20, 2018, 2:22 am
#82
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Jan 20, 2018, 3:17 am
#83
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You might be right. I think I saw similar thing once before.
But my membership year is in summer, so this seems not to be connected to that. Plat line told me I must requalify for plat otherwise points will expire so that was not very reassuring. Clearly no grace period for a plat falling to gold.
Regardless of my personal situation, I wonder what they will do (if the rumoured change is taking place) with those who were promised 3 years, regardless of flying. I'm thinking about juniors where they have said "at 18 y.o. your account turns into a regular account but the points will not expire for the first three years. "
But my membership year is in summer, so this seems not to be connected to that. Plat line told me I must requalify for plat otherwise points will expire so that was not very reassuring. Clearly no grace period for a plat falling to gold.
Regardless of my personal situation, I wonder what they will do (if the rumoured change is taking place) with those who were promised 3 years, regardless of flying. I'm thinking about juniors where they have said "at 18 y.o. your account turns into a regular account but the points will not expire for the first three years. "
Jan 20, 2018, 6:06 am
#84
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Helsinki-Vantaa APT, Finland
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In FEB18 issue of Blue Wings it is now public that points wont expire if account has some activity. Every activity will push expiration of award points 18 months further. Starting from 31MAR18.
https://issuu.com/finnair_bluewings/...ewings_02_2018 (page83)
https://issuu.com/finnair_bluewings/...ewings_02_2018 (page83)
Jan 20, 2018, 6:52 am
#85
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I think that is excellent! But I have to say, this removes one of the motivations to strive for Platinum, so I eonder what’s in it for Finnair? But as a client, I applaude this change
Jan 20, 2018, 7:14 am
#86
Join Date: May 2014
Location: HEL
Programs: AY+Plat, ALL Plat, Scandic L2
Posts: 3,620
I can see two benefits for Finnair:
As to whether this is excellent for customers, I have mixed feelings. I'm kinda relieved that my points won't suddenly expire whenever I eventually downgrade from Platinum. But I'm also concerned that this will decrease redemptions availabity and possibly lead to devaluation (say, next time the economy heads South).
- Collection of points becomes more attractive for the 99.9% of non-Platinum customers, since it is now possible to reach higher amount of points and get better deals.
- Infrequent fliers have an incentive to actually maintain some activity to keep their balance.
As to whether this is excellent for customers, I have mixed feelings. I'm kinda relieved that my points won't suddenly expire whenever I eventually downgrade from Platinum. But I'm also concerned that this will decrease redemptions availabity and possibly lead to devaluation (say, next time the economy heads South).
Jan 20, 2018, 7:27 am
#87
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I can see two benefits for Finnair:
As to whether this is excellent for customers, I have mixed feelings. I'm kinda relieved that my points won't suddenly expire whenever I eventually downgrade from Platinum. But I'm also concerned that this will decrease redemptions availabity and possibly lead to devaluation (say, next time the economy heads South).
- Collection of points becomes more attractive for the 99.9% of non-Platinum customers, since it is now possible to reach higher amount of points and get better deals.
- Infrequent fliers have an incentive to actually maintain some activity to keep their balance.
As to whether this is excellent for customers, I have mixed feelings. I'm kinda relieved that my points won't suddenly expire whenever I eventually downgrade from Platinum. But I'm also concerned that this will decrease redemptions availabity and possibly lead to devaluation (say, next time the economy heads South).
Jan 20, 2018, 7:51 am
#88
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Join Date: May 2011
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As to whether this is excellent for customers, I have mixed feelings. I'm kinda relieved that my points won't suddenly expire whenever I eventually downgrade from Platinum. But I'm also concerned that this will decrease redemptions availabity and possibly lead to devaluation (say, next time the economy heads South).
As to whether this is excellent for customers, I have mixed feelings. I'm kinda relieved that my points won't suddenly expire whenever I eventually downgrade from Platinum. But I'm also concerned that this will decrease redemptions availabity and possibly lead to devaluation (say, next time the economy heads South).
But I feel pretty sure this will force AY to introduce inflation. Previously, they had a steady revenue stream from expired points. It won't take long until someone asks "why are our liabilities increasing all the time?" and demands they do something about it. And it's not like they are going to offer a tonne of extra award availability or discount awards just to get the liabilities down.
Jan 20, 2018, 7:55 am
#89
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There has, so far, been minial devaluation or inflation in AY+. For at least the last 9 years I've been here.
They have adjusted earnings and redemptions a bit, but nothing substantial AFAICR.
Last major change I remember was japan c upgrades getting 16% cheaper...
They have adjusted earnings and redemptions a bit, but nothing substantial AFAICR.
Last major change I remember was japan c upgrades getting 16% cheaper...
Jan 20, 2018, 8:01 am
#90
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Join Date: May 2011
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In FEB18 issue of Blue Wings it is now public that points wont expire if account has some activity. Every activity will push expiration of award points 18 months further. Starting from 31MAR18.
https://issuu.com/finnair_bluewings/...ewings_02_2018 (page83)
https://issuu.com/finnair_bluewings/...ewings_02_2018 (page83)
Now we only wait for similar option to protect tier point balance!! :-D