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Safe - Immediate turnaround is easy, i.e. according to experience it is possible to reach departure gate quickly and without extra security check when doing same plane turnaround.
Intermediate - Immediate turnaround is doable, but requires e.g. extra security check.
Risky - Immediate turnaround not recommended. (See notes.)
TO KEEP THE WIKI AS COHERENT AS POSSIBLE, PLEASE USE "SAFE", "INTERMEDIATE" OR "RISKY" APPROPRIATELY! (I.e. no "Safe" for stations that require any kind of security or transfer check, not to mention going landside, etc.)
Immediate turnaround information for European AY destinations:
ACE: ?
AGP: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.) Details here from August 2022
ALC: Intermediate, Arrivals pour from jetbridge to "funnel pathway" which takes people to baggage claim, but one can look for "Transfer" signage and take escalator up to the gate area. No checkpoints.
AMS: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
ARN: Safe / Intermediate (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate, except gate 62 arrival pours to baggage claim. ATR flights may be riskier if one ends up with a bus gate.)
ATH: Intermediate at best
AYT: ?
BCN: No direct turnarounds due to operated by IB.
BER: ?
BGO: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
BLL: ?
BMA: Safe (Transfer door is before going to the terminal exit and boarding will not start before the incoming plane is empty.)
BRU: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
BUD: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
CDG: ?
CFU: ?
CHQ: Risky (To landside first and security needed. Long lines possibile.)
CPH: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
CTA: ?
DBV: ?
DUB: ?
DUS: ?
EDI: ? (Security check required for sure.)
FCO: Intermediate / Risky. Bus transportation can cause long walks.
FNC: Intermediate (Exit via baggage claim and reclear security, but should be doable if you exit among the first from the inbound flight. Mobile BP not available, obtain a BP from HEL.)
FRA: Safe (Even with the bus from stand you can make it.)
FUE: ?
GDN: Risky (Providing it is ATR by Norra, apron position, walking / bussing to the arrivals, queue security (can be very long), sprint upstairs to the gate.)
GOT: Safe / Intermediate(At least on tube arrival, after exit from the tube to the terminal area, turn around and you are at the departure gate. No info on possible bus gates though.)
GVA: ?
GZP: ?
HAJ: Safe (Arrival at departure gate)
HAM: ?
HER: ?
IBZ: ?
INN: Intermediate / Risky (To landside first and then security. No airside transit.)
IVL: Safe, arrivals pour into the gate area.
JOE: Intermediate (Exit via baggage claim and reclear security, but should be doable if you exit among the first from the inbound flight.)
JSI: ?
JTR: ?
JYV: ?
KAJ: ?
KAO: ?
KEF: ?
KEM: ?
KGS: ?
KOK: ?
KRK: Intermediate (AY rarely has a jetty position so bus, arrivals then go upstairs to departures for security, there is a fast track for OW elites - not well signposted - separate B/Pass scanner to the left)
KTT: ?
KUO: Intermediate (Exit via baggage claim and reclear security, but should be doable if you exit among the first from the inbound flight.)
LHR: Intermediate (Need to go via Flight Connections to reclear security, which may take time depending on the time of the day.)
LIS: ?
LIN: Safe, arrivals pour into departures.
LJU: ?
LPA: ?
LYS: ?
MAD: No direct turnarounds due to operated by IB.
MAH: ?
MAN: Intermediate/Risky, requires reclearing security.
MHQ: ?
MSQ: ?
MUC: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
MXP: Intermediate / Risky (Arrivals come into a different floor, transfer requires walking through a transfer point and distances are quite long.)
NAP: ?
NCE: ?
OSL: Safe / Intermediate (D gates pours directly to departures. E gates also pours to departure gate, follow transit arrow, automatic gate door will open during "normal" hours. IF door doesn't open go upstairs try the transfer security. Very rare reports of stand arrival with bus to exit, but should still be doable, security is usually fast and short distances.)
OUL: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
PFO: ?
PMI: ?
PRG: Safe (From arrivals walk up to departures to departure gate.)
PVK: ?
RHO: Risky (Arrivals pour to baggage claim, security check usually has long lines before you get to the departure hall.)
RIX: Risky. After deplaning, you walk to the terminal, but boarding is done with buses. My flight was delayed, and they started boarding before the plane was even there.
RMI: ?
RVN: Intermediate (Exit via baggage claim and reclear security, but should be doable if you exit among the first from the inbound flight.)
SPU: ?
SZG: ?
TAY: ?
TFS: ?
TLL: Risky (May have a remote stand arrival, when departing flight has been boarded into a bus with boarding gate already closed.)
TLV: ?
TOS: ?
UME: ?
VAA: Intermediate (Exit via baggage claim and reclear security, but should be doable if you exit among the first from the inbound flight.)
VBY: ?
VCE: ?
VIE: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
VNO: Risky. (Departing pax board bus when arriving pax still deplaning. Connection corridor available but not sure how straightforward it is).
VRN: ?
WAW: Safe (Arrivals pour to departure gate.)
ZRH: Safe (When exiting the bridge, you are under the gates and there are inclined speedwalks that bring back to the gates upstairs.)
Immediate turnaround information for selected longhaul AY destinations:
DEL: Intermediate (There's plenty of time for the obligatory visit to the transit desk and security. However, you'll need a self-printed visa confirmation to show the gate agent at HEL.)
DOH: ?
DXB: Intermediate (Follow "connections" to security downstairs and after that go to transfer desk if needed.)
JFK: Intermediate (Generous time with the new schedule, but you'll need to clear US immigration so ESTA or visa is needed.)
NRT: Intermediate (OLCI and mobile BP works, no need to go landside. There's transfer security, though.)
Safe - Immediate turnaround is easy, i.e. according to experience it is possible to reach departure gate quickly and without extra security check when doing same plane turnaround.
Intermediate - Immediate turnaround is doable, but requires e.g. extra security check.
Risky - Immediate turnaround not recommended. (See notes.)
TO KEEP THE WIKI AS COHERENT AS POSSIBLE, PLEASE USE "SAFE", "INTERMEDIATE" OR "RISKY" APPROPRIATELY! (I.e. no "Safe" for stations that require any kind of security or transfer check, not to mention going landside, etc.)
Immediate turnaround information for European AY destinations:
ACE: ?
AGP: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.) Details here from August 2022
ALC: Intermediate, Arrivals pour from jetbridge to "funnel pathway" which takes people to baggage claim, but one can look for "Transfer" signage and take escalator up to the gate area. No checkpoints.
AMS: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
ARN: Safe / Intermediate (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate, except gate 62 arrival pours to baggage claim. ATR flights may be riskier if one ends up with a bus gate.)
ATH: Intermediate at best
AYT: ?
BCN: No direct turnarounds due to operated by IB.
BER: ?
BGO: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
BLL: ?
BMA: Safe (Transfer door is before going to the terminal exit and boarding will not start before the incoming plane is empty.)
BRU: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
BUD: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
CDG: ?
CFU: ?
CHQ: Risky (To landside first and security needed. Long lines possibile.)
CPH: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
CTA: ?
DBV: ?
DUB: ?
DUS: ?
EDI: ? (Security check required for sure.)
FCO: Intermediate / Risky. Bus transportation can cause long walks.
FNC: Intermediate (Exit via baggage claim and reclear security, but should be doable if you exit among the first from the inbound flight. Mobile BP not available, obtain a BP from HEL.)
FRA: Safe (Even with the bus from stand you can make it.)
FUE: ?
GDN: Risky (Providing it is ATR by Norra, apron position, walking / bussing to the arrivals, queue security (can be very long), sprint upstairs to the gate.)
GOT: Safe / Intermediate(At least on tube arrival, after exit from the tube to the terminal area, turn around and you are at the departure gate. No info on possible bus gates though.)
GVA: ?
GZP: ?
HAJ: Safe (Arrival at departure gate)
HAM: ?
HER: ?
IBZ: ?
INN: Intermediate / Risky (To landside first and then security. No airside transit.)
IVL: Safe, arrivals pour into the gate area.
JOE: Intermediate (Exit via baggage claim and reclear security, but should be doable if you exit among the first from the inbound flight.)
JSI: ?
JTR: ?
JYV: ?
KAJ: ?
KAO: ?
KEF: ?
KEM: ?
KGS: ?
KOK: ?
KRK: Intermediate (AY rarely has a jetty position so bus, arrivals then go upstairs to departures for security, there is a fast track for OW elites - not well signposted - separate B/Pass scanner to the left)
KTT: ?
KUO: Intermediate (Exit via baggage claim and reclear security, but should be doable if you exit among the first from the inbound flight.)
LHR: Intermediate (Need to go via Flight Connections to reclear security, which may take time depending on the time of the day.)
LIS: ?
LIN: Safe, arrivals pour into departures.
LJU: ?
LPA: ?
LYS: ?
MAD: No direct turnarounds due to operated by IB.
MAH: ?
MAN: Intermediate/Risky, requires reclearing security.
MHQ: ?
MSQ: ?
MUC: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
MXP: Intermediate / Risky (Arrivals come into a different floor, transfer requires walking through a transfer point and distances are quite long.)
NAP: ?
NCE: ?
OSL: Safe / Intermediate (D gates pours directly to departures. E gates also pours to departure gate, follow transit arrow, automatic gate door will open during "normal" hours. IF door doesn't open go upstairs try the transfer security. Very rare reports of stand arrival with bus to exit, but should still be doable, security is usually fast and short distances.)
OUL: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
PFO: ?
PMI: ?
PRG: Safe (From arrivals walk up to departures to departure gate.)
PVK: ?
RHO: Risky (Arrivals pour to baggage claim, security check usually has long lines before you get to the departure hall.)
RIX: Risky. After deplaning, you walk to the terminal, but boarding is done with buses. My flight was delayed, and they started boarding before the plane was even there.
RMI: ?
RVN: Intermediate (Exit via baggage claim and reclear security, but should be doable if you exit among the first from the inbound flight.)
SPU: ?
SZG: ?
TAY: ?
TFS: ?
TLL: Risky (May have a remote stand arrival, when departing flight has been boarded into a bus with boarding gate already closed.)
TLV: ?
TOS: ?
UME: ?
VAA: Intermediate (Exit via baggage claim and reclear security, but should be doable if you exit among the first from the inbound flight.)
VBY: ?
VCE: ?
VIE: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
VNO: Risky. (Departing pax board bus when arriving pax still deplaning. Connection corridor available but not sure how straightforward it is).
VRN: ?
WAW: Safe (Arrivals pour to departure gate.)
ZRH: Safe (When exiting the bridge, you are under the gates and there are inclined speedwalks that bring back to the gates upstairs.)
Immediate turnaround information for selected longhaul AY destinations:
DEL: Intermediate (There's plenty of time for the obligatory visit to the transit desk and security. However, you'll need a self-printed visa confirmation to show the gate agent at HEL.)
DOH: ?
DXB: Intermediate (Follow "connections" to security downstairs and after that go to transfer desk if needed.)
JFK: Intermediate (Generous time with the new schedule, but you'll need to clear US immigration so ESTA or visa is needed.)
NRT: Intermediate (OLCI and mobile BP works, no need to go landside. There's transfer security, though.)
Ahoy, mileage runners! (Incl. immediate turnarounds)
#376
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: HEL
Programs: AY, SK, TK
Posts: 7,598
Pros
+you don't need to take a ferry
+segment runs
Cons
-no lounge -> BYOBeer and get a "punkki"-treatment at local bushes
-you can't buy snus
#377
Original Poster
Join Date: May 2013
Location: HEL
Programs: AY Plat (OWE), SK EBG (*A Gold), KQ Plat (STE+), Accor Plat
Posts: 3,157
Never done the CX cheapos, are they not anymore available?
Done myself many times the AA south america cheapos which you will find all the time, at best around 500-600€, easily below 800€. Just play around with AA.com and you will find. OTOH, it is quite a torture to run HEL-USA-GRU/GIG in economy but having Saphire card helps you with MCE seats.
Done myself many times the AA south america cheapos which you will find all the time, at best around 500-600€, easily below 800€. Just play around with AA.com and you will find. OTOH, it is quite a torture to run HEL-USA-GRU/GIG in economy but having Saphire card helps you with MCE seats.
I'll have to look into the AA flights. How much do they accrue?
The 2 x Value ticket would be a good alternative if I could squeeze it under 1000 EUR.
Indeed a good price for segment runs! Qualifying by points will be easier for me, though.
#379
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: HEL
Programs: lots of shiny metal cards
Posts: 14,106
If it were a pure MR, I'd look at an ex-EUR Asia in C. BKK and ICN are often the cheapest in the 1,6k€ range. They yield 40k TP + any elite bonus. (and with the current 3x redeemable point promo, you'll earn the points on this trip alone needed to convert into the remaining missing TPs)
#380
Join Date: May 2014
Location: HEL
Programs: AY+Plat, ALL Plat, Scandic L2
Posts: 3,620
All AA economy fares earn 100% for the time being, but it is sure to be enhanced sooner or later I hope it does not change until my HEL-JFK-CLT-MIA,MIA-DCA-JFK-HEL in December.
Cheapest QR fares earn nil to AY+ in both cabins. For economy class fligths to Oceania, QF semi-flexible fares earning 100% are the way to go, or of course Finnair Value if available. Beware though that QF tend to offer their codes on EK metal, and, to New Zealand, AY offers interline on NZ.
Originally Posted by WilcoRoger
I haven't done the math, but friends say that they got HEL-DOH-AKL/SYD-DOH-HEL under 1000€ on QR in Y. As they are not into this game, they had no idea of booking class, earning, etc.
#381
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: HELsinki
Programs: BONVOY Lifetime Platinum , Ay Platinum, Hhonors Diamond
Posts: 152
VOA is nowadays e-visa and without that or Visa, AY does not allow entry.
AY's point of view is that you are going to India regardless what you do at DEL Airport.
Ok, that was ok and now handled, ticket was changed very professional way.
But during this case at the gate I had the worst customer service I ever received from AY:
Very unprofessional and rude gate agent told me to get lost. Nice way to threat your own loyal customer.
AY's point of view is that you are going to India regardless what you do at DEL Airport.
Ok, that was ok and now handled, ticket was changed very professional way.
But during this case at the gate I had the worst customer service I ever received from AY:
Very unprofessional and rude gate agent told me to get lost. Nice way to threat your own loyal customer.
#382
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Helsinki-Vantaa APT, Finland
Programs: AY LUMO
Posts: 6,058
I did a quick DEL turnaround last weekend and the only place that asked me to show my e-visa was also at the gate in HEL. DEL airside transfer desk handled everything smoothly without any questions about visas. Althought for some reason they found it strange to leave on same plane that carried you there...
#383
Moderator, Finnair
Join Date: May 2011
Location: MMX (CPH)
Programs: Eurobonus Diamond, QR Gold, AY+ Platinum, A3*G, Nordic Choice Lifetime Platinum, SJ Prio Black
Posts: 14,174
Can't help but thinking discussing quick turnaround here or elsewhere has made AY change gate policy. If Kelju and perhaps others also experienced the visa questions then it seems a policy and not a mishap. Especially the stubborness seems to indicate a policy communicated from above.
#385
Moderator, Finnair
Join Date: May 2011
Location: MMX (CPH)
Programs: Eurobonus Diamond, QR Gold, AY+ Platinum, A3*G, Nordic Choice Lifetime Platinum, SJ Prio Black
Posts: 14,174
If this indeed is a policy (and we have no confirmation or debunking of this) then it is very very very confusing. Is it just India where airside transits are not allowed? What was the reason for altering the policy?
Now, India is pretty easy to get the e-tourist visa. Done online, no questions asked, pay 42,50€ and your are set within 48 hours.
But how about Russia? Does Finnair not allow airside transits in LED and MOW anymore?
Try applying for a Russian visa when none is needed:
Russian Embassy: We can't give you a Visa, because you are not entering Russia.
Me: I know, but Finnair requires me to carry a Visa to allow me to board.
Russian Embassy: There is no Visa for this. You are free to transit airside.
Me: I know, but Finnair requires me to carry a Visa to allow me to board.
<ad infinitum>
Now, India is pretty easy to get the e-tourist visa. Done online, no questions asked, pay 42,50€ and your are set within 48 hours.
But how about Russia? Does Finnair not allow airside transits in LED and MOW anymore?
Try applying for a Russian visa when none is needed:
Russian Embassy: We can't give you a Visa, because you are not entering Russia.
Me: I know, but Finnair requires me to carry a Visa to allow me to board.
Russian Embassy: There is no Visa for this. You are free to transit airside.
Me: I know, but Finnair requires me to carry a Visa to allow me to board.
<ad infinitum>
#387
Original Poster
Join Date: May 2013
Location: HEL
Programs: AY Plat (OWE), SK EBG (*A Gold), KQ Plat (STE+), Accor Plat
Posts: 3,157
Despite my efforts I'm only seeing N fares. How are you finding these on OTAs?
Last edited by lkrt; May 10, 2016 at 11:19 pm
#388
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Going around Russian airspace
Posts: 621
ma 16.5.
HEL 17.00 17.00 – BKK 21.45 21.45
Saapuu ti 17.5.
24h45min, 24 tuntia 45 minuuttia, 2 välilaskua: LHR, HKG
Cathay Pacific 1416 lennon liikennöi Finnair
Cathay Pacific 254
Cathay Pacific 703
su 22.5.
BKK 18.50 18.50 – HEL 12.20 12.20
Saapuu ma 23.5.
21h30min, 21 tuntia 30 minuuttia, 2 välilaskua: HKG, LHR
Cathay Pacific 702
Cathay Pacific 251
Cathay Pacific 1411 lennon liikennöi Finnair
Matkustaja 1: Aikuinen 655,61 €
Code:
16.5.2016 Lähtöpaikka Helsinki-Vantaa (HEL) Kohde Suvarnabhumin kansainvälinen lentokenttä (BKK) Cathay Pacific 17.00 HEL to 21.45 BKK 24h 45min, 2 välilaskua LHR, HKG Saapuu ti 17.5. Näytä Cathay Pacific 17.00 lento- ma 16.5. ja matkatavaramaksutiedot 22.5.2016 Lähtöpaikka Suvarnabhumin kansainvälinen lentokenttä (BKK) Kohde Helsinki-Vantaa (HEL) Lyhyin Lyhyin lento Cathay Pacific 18.50 BKK to 12.20 HEL 21h 30min, 2 välilaskua HKG, LHR Saapuu ma 23.5. Piilota Cathay Pacific 18.50 lento- su 22.5. ja matkatavaramaksutiedot 18.50 to 22.40 2h 50min Lähtöpaikka Suvarnabhumin kansainvälinen lentokenttä (BKK) Kohde Hongkongin kansainvälinen lentokenttä (HKG) Cathay Pacific 702 BOEING 777-300ER | Päivällinen Economy ( V) Kokonaismatka 1 688 km Välilasku 1h 15min välilasku , Hongkong (HKG) 23.55 to 05.40 12h 45min Yliyön lento, saapuu ma 23.5. Lähtöpaikka Hongkongin kansainvälinen lentokenttä (HKG) Kohde Heathrow (LHR) Cathay Pacific 251 BOEING 777-300ER | Aamiainen | Päivällinen Economy ( V) Kokonaismatka 9 598 km Välilasku 1h 50min välilasku , Lontoo (LHR) 07.30 to 12.20 2h 50min Lähtöpaikka Heathrow (LHR) Kohde Helsinki-Vantaa (HEL) Cathay Pacific 1411 Lennon liikennöi Finnair Airbus A320 Economy ( V) Kokonaismatka 1 818 km Matkatavaramaksut Matkatavaramaksuja ei onnistuttu hakemaan
#389
Join Date: May 2014
Location: HEL
Programs: AY+Plat, ALL Plat, Scandic L2
Posts: 3,620
- Find somewhat busy travel dates.
- Select semi-flexible fares explicitly (like Finnair Value).
Problem is that cathaypacific.com fails miserably with HEL as origin. You cannot input it in the booking form. Alternatively, if you deep-link (e.g. from Google Flights), the site just goes into an infinite loop of failures.
This is pretty idiotic since CX has plenty of code shares on short-haul AY metal, and is otherwise happy to price origins that they don't even have marketing codes from/to (such as LED). But it's been going on for years so I have very little hopes if gets solved.
Does anybody know a way to force semi-flexible CX fares other than CX and KA.com ?
#390
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: HEL
Programs: lots of shiny metal cards
Posts: 14,106