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Safe - Immediate turnaround is easy, i.e. according to experience it is possible to reach departure gate quickly and without extra security check when doing same plane turnaround.
Intermediate - Immediate turnaround is doable, but requires e.g. extra security check.
Risky - Immediate turnaround not recommended. (See notes.)

TO KEEP THE WIKI AS COHERENT AS POSSIBLE, PLEASE USE "SAFE", "INTERMEDIATE" OR "RISKY" APPROPRIATELY! (I.e. no "Safe" for stations that require any kind of security or transfer check, not to mention going landside, etc.)

Immediate turnaround information for European AY destinations:

ACE: ?
AGP: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.) Details here from August 2022
ALC: Intermediate, Arrivals pour from jetbridge to "funnel pathway" which takes people to baggage claim, but one can look for "Transfer" signage and take escalator up to the gate area. No checkpoints.
AMS: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
ARN: Safe / Intermediate (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate, except gate 62 arrival pours to baggage claim. ATR flights may be riskier if one ends up with a bus gate.)
ATH: Intermediate at best
AYT: ?
BCN: No direct turnarounds due to operated by IB.
BER: ?
BGO: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
BLL: ?
BMA: Safe (Transfer door is before going to the terminal exit and boarding will not start before the incoming plane is empty.)
BRU: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
BUD: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
CDG: ?
CFU: ?
CHQ: Risky (To landside first and security needed. Long lines possibile.)
CPH: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
CTA: ?
DBV: ?
DUB: ?
DUS: ?
EDI: ? (Security check required for sure.)
FCO: Intermediate / Risky. Bus transportation can cause long walks.
FNC: Intermediate (Exit via baggage claim and reclear security, but should be doable if you exit among the first from the inbound flight. Mobile BP not available, obtain a BP from HEL.)
FRA: Safe (Even with the bus from stand you can make it.)
FUE: ?
GDN: Risky (Providing it is ATR by Norra, apron position, walking / bussing to the arrivals, queue security (can be very long), sprint upstairs to the gate.)
GOT: Safe / Intermediate(At least on tube arrival, after exit from the tube to the terminal area, turn around and you are at the departure gate. No info on possible bus gates though.)
GVA: ?
GZP: ?
HAJ: Safe (Arrival at departure gate)
HAM: ?
HER: ?
IBZ: ?
INN: Intermediate / Risky (To landside first and then security. No airside transit.)
IVL: Safe, arrivals pour into the gate area.
JOE: Intermediate (Exit via baggage claim and reclear security, but should be doable if you exit among the first from the inbound flight.)
JSI: ?
JTR: ?
JYV: ?
KAJ: ?
KAO: ?
KEF: ?
KEM: ?
KGS: ?
KOK: ?
KRK: Intermediate (AY rarely has a jetty position so bus, arrivals then go upstairs to departures for security, there is a fast track for OW elites - not well signposted - separate B/Pass scanner to the left)
KTT: ?
KUO: Intermediate (Exit via baggage claim and reclear security, but should be doable if you exit among the first from the inbound flight.)
LHR: Intermediate (Need to go via Flight Connections to reclear security, which may take time depending on the time of the day.)
LIS: ?
LIN: Safe, arrivals pour into departures.
LJU: ?
LPA: ?
LYS: ?
MAD: No direct turnarounds due to operated by IB.
MAH: ?
MAN: Intermediate/Risky, requires reclearing security.
MHQ: ?
MSQ: ?
MUC: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
MXP: Intermediate / Risky (Arrivals come into a different floor, transfer requires walking through a transfer point and distances are quite long.)
NAP: ?
NCE: ?
OSL: Safe / Intermediate (D gates pours directly to departures. E gates also pours to departure gate, follow transit arrow, automatic gate door will open during "normal" hours. IF door doesn't open go upstairs try the transfer security. Very rare reports of stand arrival with bus to exit, but should still be doable, security is usually fast and short distances.)
OUL: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
PFO: ?
PMI: ?
PRG: Safe (From arrivals walk up to departures to departure gate.)
PVK: ?
RHO: Risky (Arrivals pour to baggage claim, security check usually has long lines before you get to the departure hall.)
RIX: Risky. After deplaning, you walk to the terminal, but boarding is done with buses. My flight was delayed, and they started boarding before the plane was even there.
RMI: ?
RVN: Intermediate (Exit via baggage claim and reclear security, but should be doable if you exit among the first from the inbound flight.)
SPU: ?
SZG: ?
TAY: ?
TFS: ?
TLL: Risky (May have a remote stand arrival, when departing flight has been boarded into a bus with boarding gate already closed.)
TLV: ?
TOS: ?
UME: ?
VAA: Intermediate (Exit via baggage claim and reclear security, but should be doable if you exit among the first from the inbound flight.)
VBY: ?
VCE: ?
VIE: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
VNO: Risky. (Departing pax board bus when arriving pax still deplaning. Connection corridor available but not sure how straightforward it is).
VRN: ?
WAW: Safe (Arrivals pour to departure gate.)
ZRH: Safe (When exiting the bridge, you are under the gates and there are inclined speedwalks that bring back to the gates upstairs.)

Immediate turnaround information for selected longhaul AY destinations:

DEL: Intermediate (There's plenty of time for the obligatory visit to the transit desk and security. However, you'll need a self-printed visa confirmation to show the gate agent at HEL.)
DOH: ?
DXB: Intermediate (Follow "connections" to security downstairs and after that go to transfer desk if needed.)
JFK: Intermediate (Generous time with the new schedule, but you'll need to clear US immigration so ESTA or visa is needed.)
NRT: Intermediate (OLCI and mobile BP works, no need to go landside. There's transfer security, though.)
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Old May 29, 2016, 3:10 am
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Mainland China is theoretically possible if you leave on Friday afternoon, make a round-trip to HKG or MFM on saturday and return on Sunday. Not that I'd recommend it though.

Not sure what the Chinese border guard would say if you do two TWOV in the same day.
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Old May 29, 2016, 3:18 am
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Originally Posted by Courmisch
Not sure what the Chinese border guard would say if you do two TWOV in the same day.
It's ok.
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Old May 29, 2016, 1:52 pm
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Originally Posted by OH-LGG
I need place to where read my newspapers for next Sat/Sun. DEL return is so full that I cant make it, rest of the AY's mileage friendly dest SIN HKG and ICN are also quite full. Mainland China is out of question due to visa issue.

So I have left BKK and if AA having any nice price in Y. Problem with AA and NA is, that it takes 2 nights.

BTW, Ebookers.fi flight search is now "improved" and it's s*it! AY ticket types not invisible. Any good place to multiple city (at least 4 segments) search?
You can find the fare basis code by clicking fare rules at payment page. Fare basis code includes ticket type code.
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Old May 30, 2016, 12:58 am
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I'm not sure I understood his beef with eBookers. eBookers does show the fare type for Finnair flights, but only in simpler cases.

IIRC, with interline tickets, it does not show the fare type (unless you go to fare details) and will not let you select another fare type, even if the ticket is to be issued by Finnair.
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Old May 30, 2016, 1:16 am
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Some decent fares To Canada next month. Interestingly enough AA fares are about 200 less than AY codes.
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Old May 30, 2016, 8:11 am
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Originally Posted by Courmisch
I'm not sure I understood his beef with eBookers. eBookers does show the fare type for Finnair flights, but only in simpler cases.

IIRC, with interline tickets, it does not show the fare type (unless you go to fare details) and will not let you select another fare type, even if the ticket is to be issued by Finnair.
Ebookers migrated to Expedia's booking platform which doesn't use branded fares (yet). However one can figure out the ticket type by having a look at fare basis code (W0LIFI06 => Light, W0BAFI06 => Basic)
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Old May 30, 2016, 10:38 am
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There is a big difference between figuring out the fare type, and selecting the fare type. eBookers used to allow upgrading from Basic/Light to Value specifically for Finnair.
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Old Jun 6, 2016, 2:55 am
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A newbie question as I always travel 100% on business and never book my own flights: Looking for a combined vacation/mileage run to reach Plat again. HEL-PEK-BKK-SIN-HEL would be desirable, in Y. How do I make sure that I'm in the right booking classes, as no OTA shows anything else except the ticket type? How do you guys do this?
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Old Jun 6, 2016, 3:06 am
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Get your routing sorted on matrix or OTA. Then got to the stinking pile of cräp that is the finnair version of a combined torture instrument and a booking engine, punch your chosen route in. Then chose value ticket.

Expedia might also give you value fare class if you choose "only refundable tickets" - I haven't been able to verify this, so YMMV.
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Old Jun 6, 2016, 4:32 am
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Expedia gives Pro class if you choose refundable tickets. There are no ways to force Value tickets on Expedia. Like most or all OTAs, you only get Value when Light/Basic is not available, such as if K, P, M or T are still available but no lower booking class.

It seems that eBookers dropped Value support too. So Finnair.com seems like the only remaining online option.
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Old Jun 6, 2016, 4:43 am
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Originally Posted by Courmisch
So Finnair.com seems like the only remaining online option.
Finnair.com doesn't find any intra-Asia flights (operated by CX). CX's own search engine is broken too at the moment. Wonder if that's the reason..

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Old Jun 6, 2016, 5:30 am
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Finnair.com doesn't find any intra-Asia flights (operated by CX). CX's own search engine is broken too at the moment. Wonder if that's the reason..
You will probably have to buy an open jaw from Finnair's site and use CX or something else for a hop or two within Asia. However, most OTAs do show you the booking class when you look at the terms and conditions right before final purchase. Unfortunately there really isn't any way to coax an OTA to give you the ticket types you want.
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Old Jun 6, 2016, 5:51 am
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Originally Posted by Courmisch
Expedia gives Pro class if you choose refundable tickets. There are no ways to force Value tickets on Expedia. Like most or all OTAs, you only get Value when Light/Basic is not available, such as if K, P, M or T are still available but no lower booking class.

It seems that eBookers dropped Value support too. So Finnair.com seems like the only remaining online option.
Buying a ticket with 24+ hour stopover is another option. It seems that stopovers are only permitted if one buys Value, Pro or business class ticket.
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Old Jun 6, 2016, 6:59 am
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Originally Posted by Courmisch
Expedia gives Pro class if you choose refundable tickets. There are no ways to force Value tickets on Expedia. Like most or all OTAs, you only get Value when Light/Basic is not available, such as if K, P, M or T are still available but no lower booking class.

It seems that eBookers dropped Value support too. So Finnair.com seems like the only remaining online option.
I very recently did a search using "refundable ticket" on expedia, and the price was just nominally higher than the cheapest, so I don't think I got a pro ticket. I went back to duplicate it, but there is no way I can tell the fare basis. There just is no price breakdown or similar anywhere. Anyone who can tell me how to see the fare basis?
It do however see it is in R, and no pro ticket books into R.

It might be that expedia just adds an "insurance" and claims that that is equal to a refundable ticket. There is no way of knowing what "refundable" means. The site is getting worse and worse, now they gone into the game of displaying pop-ups for hotels, "5 people are currently looking at this booking, hurry up" and stuff like that. I really hate these kind of antics.
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Old Jun 6, 2016, 7:58 am
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For me, both prices and booking classes (usually H) returned by Expedia on refundable tickets are clear indication of Pro fares. I don't know any OTA that explicitly supports semi-flexible fare search.
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