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Old Jan 23, 2019, 9:42 am
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Safe - Immediate turnaround is easy, i.e. according to experience it is possible to reach departure gate quickly and without extra security check when doing same plane turnaround.
Intermediate - Immediate turnaround is doable, but requires e.g. extra security check.
Risky - Immediate turnaround not recommended. (See notes.)

TO KEEP THE WIKI AS COHERENT AS POSSIBLE, PLEASE USE "SAFE", "INTERMEDIATE" OR "RISKY" APPROPRIATELY! (I.e. no "Safe" for stations that require any kind of security or transfer check, not to mention going landside, etc.)

Immediate turnaround information for European AY destinations:

ACE: ?
AGP: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.) Details here from August 2022
ALC: Intermediate, Arrivals pour from jetbridge to "funnel pathway" which takes people to baggage claim, but one can look for "Transfer" signage and take escalator up to the gate area. No checkpoints.
AMS: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
ARN: Safe / Intermediate (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate, except gate 62 arrival pours to baggage claim. ATR flights may be riskier if one ends up with a bus gate.)
ATH: Intermediate at best
AYT: ?
BCN: No direct turnarounds due to operated by IB.
BER: ?
BGO: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
BLL: ?
BMA: Safe (Transfer door is before going to the terminal exit and boarding will not start before the incoming plane is empty.)
BRU: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
BUD: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
CDG: ?
CFU: ?
CHQ: Risky (To landside first and security needed. Long lines possibile.)
CPH: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
CTA: ?
DBV: ?
DUB: ?
DUS: ?
EDI: ? (Security check required for sure.)
FCO: Intermediate / Risky. Bus transportation can cause long walks.
FNC: Intermediate (Exit via baggage claim and reclear security, but should be doable if you exit among the first from the inbound flight. Mobile BP not available, obtain a BP from HEL.)
FRA: Safe (Even with the bus from stand you can make it.)
FUE: ?
GDN: Risky (Providing it is ATR by Norra, apron position, walking / bussing to the arrivals, queue security (can be very long), sprint upstairs to the gate.)
GOT: Safe / Intermediate(At least on tube arrival, after exit from the tube to the terminal area, turn around and you are at the departure gate. No info on possible bus gates though.)
GVA: ?
GZP: ?
HAJ: Safe (Arrival at departure gate)
HAM: ?
HER: ?
IBZ: ?
INN: Intermediate / Risky (To landside first and then security. No airside transit.)
IVL: Safe, arrivals pour into the gate area.
JOE: Intermediate (Exit via baggage claim and reclear security, but should be doable if you exit among the first from the inbound flight.)
JSI: ?
JTR: ?
JYV: ?
KAJ: ?
KAO: ?
KEF: ?
KEM: ?
KGS: ?
KOK: ?
KRK: Intermediate (AY rarely has a jetty position so bus, arrivals then go upstairs to departures for security, there is a fast track for OW elites - not well signposted - separate B/Pass scanner to the left)
KTT: ?
KUO: Intermediate (Exit via baggage claim and reclear security, but should be doable if you exit among the first from the inbound flight.)
LHR: Intermediate (Need to go via Flight Connections to reclear security, which may take time depending on the time of the day.)
LIS: ?
LIN: Safe, arrivals pour into departures.
LJU: ?
LPA: ?
LYS: ?
MAD: No direct turnarounds due to operated by IB.
MAH: ?
MAN: Intermediate/Risky, requires reclearing security.
MHQ: ?
MSQ: ?
MUC: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
MXP: Intermediate / Risky (Arrivals come into a different floor, transfer requires walking through a transfer point and distances are quite long.)
NAP: ?
NCE: ?
OSL: Safe / Intermediate (D gates pours directly to departures. E gates also pours to departure gate, follow transit arrow, automatic gate door will open during "normal" hours. IF door doesn't open go upstairs try the transfer security. Very rare reports of stand arrival with bus to exit, but should still be doable, security is usually fast and short distances.)
OUL: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
PFO: ?
PMI: ?
PRG: Safe (From arrivals walk up to departures to departure gate.)
PVK: ?
RHO: Risky (Arrivals pour to baggage claim, security check usually has long lines before you get to the departure hall.)
RIX: Risky. After deplaning, you walk to the terminal, but boarding is done with buses. My flight was delayed, and they started boarding before the plane was even there.
RMI: ?
RVN: Intermediate (Exit via baggage claim and reclear security, but should be doable if you exit among the first from the inbound flight.)
SPU: ?
SZG: ?
TAY: ?
TFS: ?
TLL: Risky (May have a remote stand arrival, when departing flight has been boarded into a bus with boarding gate already closed.)
TLV: ?
TOS: ?
UME: ?
VAA: Intermediate (Exit via baggage claim and reclear security, but should be doable if you exit among the first from the inbound flight.)
VBY: ?
VCE: ?
VIE: Safe (Arrivals pour directly to departure gate.)
VNO: Risky. (Departing pax board bus when arriving pax still deplaning. Connection corridor available but not sure how straightforward it is).
VRN: ?
WAW: Safe (Arrivals pour to departure gate.)
ZRH: Safe (When exiting the bridge, you are under the gates and there are inclined speedwalks that bring back to the gates upstairs.)

Immediate turnaround information for selected longhaul AY destinations:

DEL: Intermediate (There's plenty of time for the obligatory visit to the transit desk and security. However, you'll need a self-printed visa confirmation to show the gate agent at HEL.)
DOH: ?
DXB: Intermediate (Follow "connections" to security downstairs and after that go to transfer desk if needed.)
JFK: Intermediate (Generous time with the new schedule, but you'll need to clear US immigration so ESTA or visa is needed.)
NRT: Intermediate (OLCI and mobile BP works, no need to go landside. There's transfer security, though.)
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Old Feb 17, 2019, 1:26 pm
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I did it! Booked my first MR to get Platinum for the first time!
I’ll do the same Hong Kong - Bangkok - Hong Kong trip as AlgoRhythmic. Exciting!
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Old Feb 18, 2019, 1:45 pm
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By the way, if you want more bang for your buck, Budapest is a cheap place to start (1733€, 3.95snt/point) and Malaga is the best (51404p) as far as I know, 1986€ making 3.86snt/point without taking silver/gold/plat bonus into account.
This is I fares (BUD/AGP-HEL-HKG-BKK-HKG-HEL-BUD/AGP)

Also, point run wise, AGP-HEL-HKG-SIN-HKG-HEL-AGP gives you a whopping 54918 points for 1930€ in I without ancient A330's.
(Wide availability in October, usually at all times.)
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Old Feb 18, 2019, 2:15 pm
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Why would AGP origin give more points than BUD? AFAIK, AGP is one of the worst possible continental origins mileage-wise/time-wise - alongside LIS and MAD. Due to zoning, it earns less than 1 point per km.

Of course, Canaries and Dubai are way worse yet.
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Old Feb 18, 2019, 2:18 pm
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Good point, I was just blindly staring at wheretocredit
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Old Feb 18, 2019, 2:29 pm
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Originally Posted by Courmisch
Why would AGP origin give more points than BUD? AFAIK, AGP is one of the worst possible continental origins mileage-wise/time-wise - alongside LIS and MAD. Due to zoning, it earns less than 1 point per km.

Of course, Canaries and Dubai are way worse yet.
What's the worst offender measured in points per km? Is there anything that's worse than KEF?
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Old Feb 19, 2019, 1:17 am
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Clearly anything ME, Spain and so on. (Or is KEF in the nordics zone? Then probably no)

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Old Feb 19, 2019, 1:19 am
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Originally Posted by intuition
Clearly anything ME, Spain and so on.

Yeah but KEF only earns Northern European points while Mediterranean destinations at least earn double.
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Old Feb 19, 2019, 1:22 am
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Originally Posted by intuition
Clearly anything ME, Spain and so on.

Doesn't your map clearly show, that (at least mainland) Spain is nearly double as good as KEF? KEF is part of the Nordics, Spain part of Europe so you receive double the amount of (fixed) points there.

EDIT: too slow
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Old Feb 19, 2019, 1:42 am
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Yeah, realised that mistake quickly.
So here we go again, even DXB and LPA is better than KEF in this regard.

(cut off line 3024 mi from HEL, ie HEL-KEF x2)
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Old Feb 19, 2019, 5:32 am
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Originally Posted by Courmisch
Why would AGP origin give more points than BUD? AFAIK, AGP is one of the worst possible continental origins mileage-wise/time-wise - alongside LIS and MAD. Due to zoning, it earns less than 1 point per km.

Of course, Canaries and Dubai are way worse yet.
Interestingly for BAEC members AGP (and LIS) are the sweet spots as they are >2000mi and earn 140TPs vs. 40TPs (MAD for example) in J.
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Old Feb 19, 2019, 12:59 pm
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Originally Posted by lkrt
Yeah but KEF only earns Northern European points while Mediterranean destinations at least earn double.
Yes but it works 2 ways.
Even though KEF point accrual is terrible, it is at the same time available as an award flight from anywhere in Finland for just 15K points return :-)
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Old Feb 20, 2019, 1:42 am
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Originally Posted by EuroFlash
Yes but it works 2 ways.
Even though KEF point accrual is terrible, it is at the same time available as an award flight from anywhere in Finland for just 15K points return :-)
Even better - it costs 15k from anywhere in the same area (Northern Europe). Availability may be an issue, but you sure can waitlist it.
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Old Feb 22, 2019, 12:41 pm
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Hey! Newbie here I have booked ARN-HEL-LAX return trip starting with AY808 (dep 12:55) and was wondering if it would be smart to book the HEL-ARN leg on the AY807 (arr 12:20) or play it safe and book an earlier flight instead? Any risk of stand arrival and bus and would one be able to make it in that case? PS. Only carry-ons, no baggage.
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Old Feb 22, 2019, 1:06 pm
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It's safe with 807/808.

And welcome to FT.
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Old Feb 22, 2019, 1:12 pm
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Much obliged ^
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