Bad Customer Service Experience: Am I in the Wrong?
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i ignore the seatbelt signs
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Folks, I believe the OP has received enough responses to his question albeit a lot more than what he asked for. Whilst I appreciate that we all might have different experiences flying EK, through DXB or other ME3 airlines I don't see value in barraging each other as it goes against the ethos of FT.
I have left the thread open for the OP to post any updates and hope we can all be civil.
Zol
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I have left the thread open for the OP to post any updates and hope we can all be civil.
Zol
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Last edited by Zol; Feb 11, 2018 at 12:19 pm
#153
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Here is what Emirates wrote me back. Basically it was probably a pre-written letter with no investigation since they talk about checked bags in the response. I had no checked bags. They don’t even address the accident! How can an airline have such good service in the air, and such terrible customer service on the ground? It’s baffling:
“Thank you for contacting Emirates. I welcome the opportunity to respond to your comments.
I regret to learn that you were unable to travel on flight EK 0404 from Dubai to Melbourne on 29 January 2018. I understand how unsettling this situation must have been for you. As our seasoned traveler, we do respect your portrayal of facts, and I can assure you that we take note of every concern raised by our customers
I note from your correspondence that on arrival of your flight from New York, you boarded an incorrect bus (Business Class) which was dropping off at Terminal 1
May I clarify that baggage will be removed from a plane if the passenger has not presented their boarding card at the boarding gate within the stipulated time before the scheduled time of departure, ready to board the plane. The plasma screens located throughout the airport concourse, show the latest information on flight departures. (What is he talking about? I had no checked baggage.)
Please allow me to explain that it is the passenger's responsibility to board their flight within the stipulated time. However, a report from our Airport Services Manager in Dubai shows that you eventually reported too late to be accepted on the flight.
I am also concerned to learn of your disappointment with the service attitude of our ground staff. All of our staff members, and those of our contractors, are trained and encouraged to always interact with customers in a courteous and professional manner. It is also our customer service ethos to be respectful of customers and to provide them with the highest standard of service that Emirates is known for. We do not condone service or behavior that is inconsistent with these values. I would like to assure you that the details of your experience and the impression created to you have been taken into account.
Mr X, whilst we can understand your concerns, I must point out that the predicament you found yourself in was not due to Emirates. (Yes it was)
Thank you for allowing me to explain and for your understanding. (Nothing was explained and there was no understanding except that they’re right, I’m wrong.)
Yours sincerely,
xxxxxxx
Customer Affairs”
....And that, as they say, is that! By sharing this experience with everyone I hoped I’ve shown do everything in your power to not have any hiccups in your travels where you have to deal with Emirates ground staff. If you do, good luck.
“Thank you for contacting Emirates. I welcome the opportunity to respond to your comments.
I regret to learn that you were unable to travel on flight EK 0404 from Dubai to Melbourne on 29 January 2018. I understand how unsettling this situation must have been for you. As our seasoned traveler, we do respect your portrayal of facts, and I can assure you that we take note of every concern raised by our customers
I note from your correspondence that on arrival of your flight from New York, you boarded an incorrect bus (Business Class) which was dropping off at Terminal 1
May I clarify that baggage will be removed from a plane if the passenger has not presented their boarding card at the boarding gate within the stipulated time before the scheduled time of departure, ready to board the plane. The plasma screens located throughout the airport concourse, show the latest information on flight departures. (What is he talking about? I had no checked baggage.)
Please allow me to explain that it is the passenger's responsibility to board their flight within the stipulated time. However, a report from our Airport Services Manager in Dubai shows that you eventually reported too late to be accepted on the flight.
I am also concerned to learn of your disappointment with the service attitude of our ground staff. All of our staff members, and those of our contractors, are trained and encouraged to always interact with customers in a courteous and professional manner. It is also our customer service ethos to be respectful of customers and to provide them with the highest standard of service that Emirates is known for. We do not condone service or behavior that is inconsistent with these values. I would like to assure you that the details of your experience and the impression created to you have been taken into account.
Mr X, whilst we can understand your concerns, I must point out that the predicament you found yourself in was not due to Emirates. (Yes it was)
Thank you for allowing me to explain and for your understanding. (Nothing was explained and there was no understanding except that they’re right, I’m wrong.)
Yours sincerely,
xxxxxxx
Customer Affairs”
....And that, as they say, is that! By sharing this experience with everyone I hoped I’ve shown do everything in your power to not have any hiccups in your travels where you have to deal with Emirates ground staff. If you do, good luck.
Last edited by Zol; Feb 11, 2018 at 9:32 pm Reason: remove agent name
#154
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Mr X, whilst we can understand your concerns, I must point out that the predicament you found yourself in was not due to Emirates. (Yes it was)
Thank you for allowing me to explain and for your understanding. (Nothing was explained and there was no understanding except that they’re right, I’m wrong.)
....And that, as they say, is that! By sharing this experience with everyone I hoped I’ve shown do everything in your power to not have any hiccups in your travels where you have to deal with Emirates ground staff. If you do, good luck.
As such, the person has just reiterated that - whether you like that answer or not, it is the answer
The passenger is responsible to get to gate in time for the flight - if the passenger is late , then referring to original agent is quite correct
If you can prove that it was Emirates's fault, then perhaps take Emirates to court to reclaim any costs incurred
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I don’t want to sue, and I really don’t want anything from them aside from my extra day in Australia back which is not posssible. I just want to be treated like a human being, and not like some cattle being shipped to another gate. I see now that EK has some serious customer service issues, and instead of addressing the problems they have, they just continue to blame the customer in this instance, and to me that’s very sad. How arrogant is it to say flat out in the email that it’s not Emirates fault. Even to some degree, a fair and unbiased third party has to agree it is somewhat their fault. To come right out and say “we didn’t do anything” in the email just demonstrates their attitude towards customers. I didn’t cause the accident, the Emirates vehicles that were involved, that held up my bus, that caused me to miss my connection we’re responsible.
Its sadly pathetic is this letter that the guy has to falsely summarize events, make up things that didn’t happen, and then solely blame me for the grounds mistake. To me it’s quite clear EK has a very serious customer service issues that run very deep, and that’s unfortunate and others should take note.
Now I know why when I was silently looking to find the supervisors name tag, he noticed me eyeballing for it, said some nasty things to me, and started shoving the the name tag in my face because he knew there would be no repercussions for whatever he did. Everyone has agreed in this thread that allowing an employee to just be plain nasty to a customer is wrong, so the issues run fairly deep for EK.
Quite puzzling to me that an airline can have a wonderful on board product, but such abysmal customer service on the ground. Now I know who I’m dealing with if a problem should arise, and others should too. Oh well... that’s life.
Its sadly pathetic is this letter that the guy has to falsely summarize events, make up things that didn’t happen, and then solely blame me for the grounds mistake. To me it’s quite clear EK has a very serious customer service issues that run very deep, and that’s unfortunate and others should take note.
Now I know why when I was silently looking to find the supervisors name tag, he noticed me eyeballing for it, said some nasty things to me, and started shoving the the name tag in my face because he knew there would be no repercussions for whatever he did. Everyone has agreed in this thread that allowing an employee to just be plain nasty to a customer is wrong, so the issues run fairly deep for EK.
Quite puzzling to me that an airline can have a wonderful on board product, but such abysmal customer service on the ground. Now I know who I’m dealing with if a problem should arise, and others should too. Oh well... that’s life.
#156
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Your arriving at the gate after the required time was not EK's fault
Why should it say that it was its fault ? That isn't arrogance, that is just factual
Unexpected problems occurring is one of the reasons why travel insurance is available
As far as the attitude of the staff member goes, there is only one side of the story - I wonder what the EK staff would say regarding the passenger's attitude
Why should it say that it was its fault ? That isn't arrogance, that is just factual
Unexpected problems occurring is one of the reasons why travel insurance is available
As far as the attitude of the staff member goes, there is only one side of the story - I wonder what the EK staff would say regarding the passenger's attitude
#157
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Your arriving at the gate after the required time was not EK's fault
Why should it say that it was its fault ? That isn't arrogance, that is just factual
Unexpected problems occurring is one of the reasons why travel insurance is available
As far as the attitude of the staff member goes, there is only one side of the story - I wonder what the EK staff would say regarding the passenger's attitude
Why should it say that it was its fault ? That isn't arrogance, that is just factual
Unexpected problems occurring is one of the reasons why travel insurance is available
As far as the attitude of the staff member goes, there is only one side of the story - I wonder what the EK staff would say regarding the passenger's attitude
To to be fair if I was on a bus and it crashed / got delayed I’d be pretty angry if EK denied liability given it’s their ground services putting you to the correct places to make the transfer.
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Your arriving at the gate after the required time was not EK's fault
Why should it say that it was its fault ? That isn't arrogance, that is just factual
Unexpected problems occurring is one of the reasons why travel insurance is available
As far as the attitude of the staff member goes, there is only one side of the story - I wonder what the EK staff would say regarding the passenger's attitude
Why should it say that it was its fault ? That isn't arrogance, that is just factual
Unexpected problems occurring is one of the reasons why travel insurance is available
As far as the attitude of the staff member goes, there is only one side of the story - I wonder what the EK staff would say regarding the passenger's attitude
The reason was Emirates vehicles had an accident on the tarmac that stopped my bus from moving and getting me to the terminal in a reasonable amount of time, thus being unable to get to my gate.
It is EK’s responsibility to drive me from a remote stand in the middle of the airport, to my connecting gate. Unless the rules allow me to hire my own car, and get me to my gate on my own terms, then EK is at fault. What else am I suppose to do? I did not pack a flying carpet.
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OP, can you remove the CS Agents name from your post as per FT rules.
That doesn’t look like a well written or thought out reply. Have you posted the full reply here? If so, then I would be writing back to them and having the issue re-addressed, pointing out the inaccuracies.
S
That doesn’t look like a well written or thought out reply. Have you posted the full reply here? If so, then I would be writing back to them and having the issue re-addressed, pointing out the inaccuracies.
S
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I have had my share of bad experiences with ground staff at DXB. This is one area the ME3 are really terrible at, and I always assumed it was just a cultural thing. I’ve always tried to just get from one gate to the other while keeping my head down, and never asking for any assistance and hoping my ticket is fine without any delays.
As another poster pointed out, even on paid premium tickets ME3 staff can treat your like garbage as I have experienced first hand. I’m surprised at the lack of sympathy for the OP, and a lot of ridiculous criticism he’s endured. Give the guy a break.
Emirates has a responsibility to get him to and from his gates. Where he got dropped off isn’t even that far from the B gates. Had the Emirates bus not been delayed because of the system Emirates operates, the OP would have easily made his connection. To make matters worse there was a flight that left an hour later that they refused to put him on for no reason. Have a little sympathy here folks.
EK runs a system to get passengers to their connecting gates. If that system breaks down, yes it is EK’s responsibility to get him to where he needs to go. The OP doesn’t really have any alternatives other than being at the whim of Emirates.
OP considering all you lost was 18 hours, and not any money, I’d say you did okay. Of course this does not excuse EK’s behavior, but I’ve had friends who have been in similar situations and ended up getting shaken down by Emirates for a few thousand dollars. Consider yourself somewhat lucky.
As another poster pointed out, even on paid premium tickets ME3 staff can treat your like garbage as I have experienced first hand. I’m surprised at the lack of sympathy for the OP, and a lot of ridiculous criticism he’s endured. Give the guy a break.
Emirates has a responsibility to get him to and from his gates. Where he got dropped off isn’t even that far from the B gates. Had the Emirates bus not been delayed because of the system Emirates operates, the OP would have easily made his connection. To make matters worse there was a flight that left an hour later that they refused to put him on for no reason. Have a little sympathy here folks.
EK runs a system to get passengers to their connecting gates. If that system breaks down, yes it is EK’s responsibility to get him to where he needs to go. The OP doesn’t really have any alternatives other than being at the whim of Emirates.
OP considering all you lost was 18 hours, and not any money, I’d say you did okay. Of course this does not excuse EK’s behavior, but I’ve had friends who have been in similar situations and ended up getting shaken down by Emirates for a few thousand dollars. Consider yourself somewhat lucky.
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Yes a factual statement on its own merit without any background, context, investigation or reasoning.
The reason was Emirates vehicles had an accident on the tarmac that stopped my bus from moving and getting me to the terminal in a reasonable amount of time, thus being unable to get to my gate.
It is EK’s responsibility to drive me from a remote stand in the middle of the airport, to my connecting gate. Unless the rules allow me to hire my own car, and get me to my gate on my own terms, then EK is at fault. What else am I suppose to do? I did not pack a flying carpet.
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OP, can you remove the CS Agents name from your post as per FT rules.
That doesn’t look like a well written or thought out reply. Have you posted the full reply here? If so, then I would be writing back to them and having the issue re-addressed, pointing out the inaccuracies.
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That doesn’t look like a well written or thought out reply. Have you posted the full reply here? If so, then I would be writing back to them and having the issue re-addressed, pointing out the inaccuracies.
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#163
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Wow, can't believe I read this entire thread!
Seems the OP was determined to show how much better US carriers are at customer service than the ME3.
Maybe they are, maybe they aren't but I know which carriers I'd rather fly and it ain't good ole' uncle sam airways!
Seems the OP was determined to show how much better US carriers are at customer service than the ME3.
Maybe they are, maybe they aren't but I know which carriers I'd rather fly and it ain't good ole' uncle sam airways!