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Current fleet numbers:

Airbus A350-900: 21

Airbus A380-800: 116
  • 49 equipped with Premium Economy. Retrofit to other frames in progress
Boeing 777-300ER: 117
  • 43 equipped with Premium Economy and updated J cabin. Retrofit to other frames in progress
Boeing 777-200LR: 10

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Old Sep 17, 2024 | 12:20 am
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lol, not sure it’s fair to expect EK to meet a standard that EY themselves failed to sustain 😂.

I’ll say upfront, from my experience, EK won’t meet that standard. EK F is a lot more functional than EY F of yesteryear. Which is probably why EK has F on most of it’s fleet and is profitable, whereas EY has cut back and struggling to stay in the fight.

I like EK F. But I normally fly for work or a commute, so I’m not looking for a wow factor. There’s other more niche F products that can offer that.
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Old Sep 17, 2024 | 2:46 am
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Originally Posted by IntrepidAfrican2
lol, not sure it’s fair to expect EK to meet a standard that EY themselves failed to sustain 😂.

I’ll say upfront, from my experience, EK won’t meet that standard. EK F is a lot more functional than EY F of yesteryear. Which is probably why EK has F on most of it’s fleet and is profitable, whereas EY has cut back and struggling to stay in the fight.

I like EK F. But I normally fly for work or a commute, so I’m not looking for a wow factor. There’s other more niche F products that can offer that.
Exactly this.
These days I fly (own pocket as I am retired) mostly EK J and when the fare suits (and I feel generous towards myself), I treat myself to F. But in the end for me it's a matter of having to get somewhere in comfort. What's important for me is a good and comfortable sleep, good and attentive service, dine on demand and good food, a good IFE screen in that order (I don't tend to watch movies the entire trip).
WiFi is a bonus, I don't need to be on line 24/7. The A nd B concourse F lounges in DXB are nice. The C lounge is not worthy of an 'F' classification.
Chauffeur drive is really really nice (I will buy J Saver instead of J Special to get it as taxis on both sides of my most regular routing cost more than the fare difference). But of course CD is not a unique F benefit.

Whether the seat is grey or champagne is of no interest at all to me! (although the EasyJet colour scheme might be a bridge too far for me).

And the schedule is of importance to me.

But each his or her own of course!
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Originally Posted by thijsseh
Exactly this.
These days I fly (own pocket as I am retired) mostly EK J and when the fare suits (and I feel generous towards myself), I treat myself to F. But in the end for me it's a matter of having to get somewhere in comfort. What's important for me is a good and comfortable sleep, good and attentive service, dine on demand and good food, a good IFE screen in that order (I don't tend to watch movies the entire trip).
WiFi is a bonus, I don't need to be on line 24/7. The A nd B concourse F lounges in DXB are nice. The C lounge is not worthy of an 'F' classification.
Chauffeur drive is really really nice (I will buy J Saver instead of J Special to get it as taxis on both sides of my most regular routing cost more than the fare difference). But of course CD is not a unique F benefit.

Whether the seat is grey or champagne is of no interest at all to me! (although the EasyJet colour scheme might be a bridge too far for me).

And the schedule is of importance to me.

But each his or her own of course!

Yep. And knowing what to expect pretty much every time. Very little meaningful variance in experience. Yes, QR, I’m looking at you.
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Old Sep 18, 2024 | 5:24 am
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Will all 777 that have old F class be retrofitted to the gamechanger F?

Currently ICN route runs a 777 with old F.
Planning to fly next summer.

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A6-EXA has just started its first flight from Toulouse.
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A6-EVD is my ride tomorrow. Can't wait!

Thanks to the spreadsheet, good to know that it was Retrofitted in June 2023.
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A6-EDX is currently on its way back to DXB as EK2551, the latest A380 to come out of long term storage
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Shortage of A380's?

Had a look at the fleet list earlier and it's rather staggering that out of the active fleet of A380's, 18 of them are currently grounded. This figure doesn't take into account the six frames stored at DWC awaiting their return to service, but does with the 7 frames away for major maintenance (C Checks and Wing Spar repairs) at other locations (EDV, EEV, EUF, EUL, EUQ, EUU & EUX) and 5 currently awaiting their return to action following storage at DWC (EDF, EDN, EDX, EET and EUZ). Yet whilst other operators around the world, such as BA with their 787 fleet are suffering with shortages of aircraft and having to cancel flights, this doesn't seem to have affected Emirates in terms of their operations.

This leaves two questions unanswered for me - firstly are Emirates experiencing any kind of A380 shortage with their fleet, or is there enough slack in the A380 fleet to allow a number to be grounded and still be able to comfortably run their full schedule? And secondly, how close are Emirates back to operating their pre-pandemic schedule if they are not already back to pre-covid levels? I believe there are some routes that were A380 before the pandemic which are still 777, such as CPH, KUL, and one FRA rotation but we know CPH is returning to A380 ops soon.

I suppose the only signs that Emirates may have a shortage of A380's is that older 777's are still flying, however that's also connected to the 777X delays and the A350 rollout will surely see some of the older 77W's depart. I also don't think it's the reason why no more A380's have been retrofitted with premium economy and the 777's have been prioritised instead. Surely EK could fit some of the grounded frames under maintenance at DXB with premium if they really wanted to.
Hopefully it won't be long before most of these aircraft are back in the air, including the six remaining at DWC. It'll be interesting to see what Emirates can achieve with a fully active A380 fleet.
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Originally Posted by A6EDH
Had a look at the fleet list earlier and it's rather staggering that out of the active fleet of A380's, 18 of them are currently grounded. This figure doesn't take into account the six frames stored at DWC awaiting their return to service, but does with the 7 frames away for major maintenance (C Checks and Wing Spar repairs) at other locations (EDV, EEV, EUF, EUL, EUQ, EUU & EUX) and 5 currently awaiting their return to action following storage at DWC (EDF, EDN, EDX, EET and EUZ). Yet whilst other operators around the world, such as BA with their 787 fleet are suffering with shortages of aircraft and having to cancel flights, this doesn't seem to have affected Emirates in terms of their operations.

This leaves two questions unanswered for me - firstly are Emirates experiencing any kind of A380 shortage with their fleet, or is there enough slack in the A380 fleet to allow a number to be grounded and still be able to comfortably run their full schedule? And secondly, how close are Emirates back to operating their pre-pandemic schedule if they are not already back to pre-covid levels? I believe there are some routes that were A380 before the pandemic which are still 777, such as CPH, KUL, and one FRA rotation but we know CPH is returning to A380 ops soon.

I suppose the only signs that Emirates may have a shortage of A380's is that older 777's are still flying, however that's also connected to the 777X delays and the A350 rollout will surely see some of the older 77W's depart. I also don't think it's the reason why no more A380's have been retrofitted with premium economy and the 777's have been prioritised instead. Surely EK could fit some of the grounded frames under maintenance at DXB with premium if they really wanted to.
Hopefully it won't be long before most of these aircraft are back in the air, including the six remaining at DWC. It'll be interesting to see what Emirates can achieve with a fully active A380 fleet.
I think (but that is much better answered by others on this forum who have a much better insight) that crew availability may have something to do with not being able to operate the entire A380 fleet (apart from maintenance and conversion outages of course).
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A6-EOW appears to be on its way to PKX for maintenance.
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Originally Posted by A6EDH
Had a look at the fleet list earlier and it's rather staggering that out of the active fleet of A380's, 18 of them are currently grounded. This figure doesn't take into account the six frames stored at DWC awaiting their return to service, but does with the 7 frames away for major maintenance (C Checks and Wing Spar repairs) at other locations (EDV, EEV, EUF, EUL, EUQ, EUU & EUX) and 5 currently awaiting their return to action following storage at DWC (EDF, EDN, EDX, EET and EUZ). Yet whilst other operators around the world, such as BA with their 787 fleet are suffering with shortages of aircraft and having to cancel flights, this doesn't seem to have affected Emirates in terms of their operations.

This leaves two questions unanswered for me - firstly are Emirates experiencing any kind of A380 shortage with their fleet, or is there enough slack in the A380 fleet to allow a number to be grounded and still be able to comfortably run their full schedule?
I'll provide some insight simply based on my observations.

I think Emirates has generally performed a good job of anticipating their operational capacity far in advance of flying said schedule. Most critical constraints like maintenance, crew, and number of aircraft, are usually planned out/known far in advance, with adjustments made to schedules usually months in advance. You don't often see last minute substitutes of A380s for 777s due to lack of aircraft for example.

Is there enough slack to run the current schedule? I think so yes. But is there enough slack to add all the capacity Emirates would like to? Not presently.

It feels that the goal of having all A380s back in service has been somewhat of a moving target. I recall hearing the end of 2022, then the end of 2023, and now we're nearing the end of 2024 with the entire fleet still yet to be activated. Engineering capacity and the parts supply chain I have heard are the two major constraints to the entire fleet being reactivated. Pilots were initially one of major constraints back in 2021/2022 as training demand outstripped supply at the time as many of the A380 pilots did not fly during the pandemic.

And secondly, how close are Emirates back to operating their pre-pandemic schedule if they are not already back to pre-covid levels? I believe there are some routes that were A380 before the pandemic which are still 777, such as CPH, KUL, and one FRA rotation but we know CPH is returning to A380 ops soon.
I believe ATH (summer seasonal EK103), BHX (EK037), CAN (EK362), CPH (EK151), FRA (EK047), DUS (EK055), HAM (EK061), HKG (EK380), KUL (EK346), MAD (EK143), MCT (Various frequencies), PEK (EK306, EK308), PRG (EK131), PVG (EK302, EK304) and ZRH (EK085) were all regularly scheduled A380 pre-pandemic. That would account for ~16 frames worth of flying if all of these returned.

I suspect we might see some greater use of seasonal upgrades as the fleet becomes more scarce. BKK, BOS, DPS, MLE, STN, VCE are all obvious candidates for some additional capacity at periods of time during the year.

Hopefully it won't be long before most of these aircraft are back in the air, including the six remaining at DWC. It'll be interesting to see what Emirates can achieve with a fully active A380 fleet.
I don't see a lot of obvious upgrades left other than what has yet to return to an A380, or what I've listed above.

A lot will depend on aviation bilaterals being expanded. An expansion of the Dubai/India bilateral for example would likely lead to additional upgrades of BOM and BLR frequencies, along with A380 service to DEL, HYD, and MAA so long as the capacity granted allows for it.
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Originally Posted by CaptainEKAirbus
I'll provide some insight simply based on my observations.

I think Emirates has generally performed a good job of anticipating their operational capacity far in advance of flying said schedule. Most critical constraints like maintenance, crew, and number of aircraft, are usually planned out/known far in advance, with adjustments made to schedules usually months in advance. You don't often see last minute substitutes of A380s for 777s due to lack of aircraft for example.

Is there enough slack to run the current schedule? I think so yes. But is there enough slack to add all the capacity Emirates would like to? Not presently.

It feels that the goal of having all A380s back in service has been somewhat of a moving target. I recall hearing the end of 2022, then the end of 2023, and now we're nearing the end of 2024 with the entire fleet still yet to be activated. Engineering capacity and the parts supply chain I have heard are the two major constraints to the entire fleet being reactivated. Pilots were initially one of major constraints back in 2021/2022 as training demand outstripped supply at the time as many of the A380 pilots did not fly during the pandemic.



I believe ATH (summer seasonal EK103), BHX (EK037), CAN (EK362), CPH (EK151), FRA (EK047), DUS (EK055), HAM (EK061), HKG (EK380), KUL (EK346), MAD (EK143), MCT (Various frequencies), PEK (EK306, EK308), PRG (EK131), PVG (EK302, EK304) and ZRH (EK085) were all regularly scheduled A380 pre-pandemic. That would account for ~16 frames worth of flying if all of these returned.

I suspect we might see some greater use of seasonal upgrades as the fleet becomes more scarce. BKK, BOS, DPS, MLE, STN, VCE are all obvious candidates for some additional capacity at periods of time during the year.



I don't see a lot of obvious upgrades left other than what has yet to return to an A380, or what I've listed above.

A lot will depend on aviation bilaterals being expanded. An expansion of the Dubai/India bilateral for example would likely lead to additional upgrades of BOM and BLR frequencies, along with A380 service to DEL, HYD, and MAA so long as the capacity granted allows for it.
Crew issues is part of the problem.
EK looking for 777 Captains and FO's to transfer to 380.
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Originally Posted by CaptainEKAirbus
I'll provide some insight simply based on my observations.

I think Emirates has generally performed a good job of anticipating their operational capacity far in advance of flying said schedule. Most critical constraints like maintenance, crew, and number of aircraft, are usually planned out/known far in advance, with adjustments made to schedules usually months in advance. You don't often see last minute substitutes of A380s for 777s due to lack of aircraft for example.

Is there enough slack to run the current schedule? I think so yes. But is there enough slack to add all the capacity Emirates would like to? Not presently.

It feels that the goal of having all A380s back in service has been somewhat of a moving target. I recall hearing the end of 2022, then the end of 2023, and now we're nearing the end of 2024 with the entire fleet still yet to be activated. Engineering capacity and the parts supply chain I have heard are the two major constraints to the entire fleet being reactivated. Pilots were initially one of major constraints back in 2021/2022 as training demand outstripped supply at the time as many of the A380 pilots did not fly during the pandemic.



I believe ATH (summer seasonal EK103), BHX (EK037), CAN (EK362), CPH (EK151), FRA (EK047), DUS (EK055), HAM (EK061), HKG (EK380), KUL (EK346), MAD (EK143), MCT (Various frequencies), PEK (EK306, EK308), PRG (EK131), PVG (EK302, EK304) and ZRH (EK085) were all regularly scheduled A380 pre-pandemic. That would account for ~16 frames worth of flying if all of these returned.

I suspect we might see some greater use of seasonal upgrades as the fleet becomes more scarce. BKK, BOS, DPS, MLE, STN, VCE are all obvious candidates for some additional capacity at periods of time during the year.



I don't see a lot of obvious upgrades left other than what has yet to return to an A380, or what I've listed above.

A lot will depend on aviation bilaterals being expanded. An expansion of the Dubai/India bilateral for example would likely lead to additional upgrades of BOM and BLR frequencies, along with A380 service to DEL, HYD, and MAA so long as the capacity granted allows for it.
A very interesting post, I do agree with your first point about last minute swaps - unlike BA who seem to do them quite frequently Emirates don't seem to have that problem. The only last minute swap I may have seen recently was when EK721 to NBO was operated by a 77L a few days ago vice 77W.
And I do think most of this is supply chain related, particularly sourcing parts to reactivate an A380 that's been out of service for years. And those parts are only going to get harder to source now the A380 is out of production
I didn't know bilateral agreements were the reason why no more Indian routes have been upgraded to an A380 other than Bangalore, given India is one of the most important markets that Emirates serve and arguably one of their busiest routes. I'm more surprised Bangalore got given an A380 service over Delhi, especially given Lufthansa fly A380's to Delhi so there's no limitation. Hopefully this happens sooner rather than later. Think EK506/507 to BOM would be an ideal flight to convert to A380 since it picks up all the loadings from the overnight European flights
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