Not a fair comparison, with the exception of BA its a reg coach seat to/from Europe and if a person doesnt want to overnight in Europe it means taking a 5-6am flight sitting in a coach seat where the armrests dont go up for 4+ hrs. LY in that case is worth the extra $$

Now compared to SU (aeroflot) where Y+ is $1200 r/t but thats only on SUs 777 which once a day to/from TLV the other fllights are 321s or 330s that dont have Y+, and at times extremely long layovers, which is OK if you have an Israeli PP since you wont need a Visa but a US citizen either has to anti up $160+ or stay put airside

Im very much thinking of flying LY going forward as I just did a CX in Y+ and a world of a difference UA is nuts with its Biz fares and Y sooner then later will be 3-4-3 on both flights

For long haul - I would still pay J with pretty much anyone as the leg to TLV is on average 3.5 hours or less, which is fine even for euro J seats. Besides, IB has a decent mid haul J to TLV. And the armrests go up an down n LH, OS etc. LY does not price its Y+ competitively and it means that if it stays that way they will not be making money on and will scrap it completely, as it will become a PL and TPL perk rather than a revenue engine.

IB uses now only A330 on the route, so it's the normal long-haul J seat.

BA isn't the only decent airline with C to Europe.

But looking at the flip side, I'd rather save $1K then to fly Y+ through Europe. $1K difference.

For the morning departure ex-MAD I think. All the MAD-TLV evening ( red eye) legs I have taken recently were the mid-haul J A319.

Exactly. Don't forget LX!

Just a shame LX doesn't have Y+

Well, from April there will be no longer two daily flights, only one on the A332.

Also a shame that IB doesn't offer their new Y+ on the TLV route.

Its been awhile I will admit but the last times I flew LH the coach seats set aside as Biz had a wooden table covering the middle seat and the arm rests didnt go up in the biz section. I usually get teh 1st row on OS but I thought the 1 time I didnt again the arm rests didnt go up but no tables covering the middle seat'

Im usually on the morning flights and believe me its a big difference not getting anything but a reg coach seat width and pitch wise @ 5am, sure I have a 9 hour flight Im connecting to but I much prefer LX where I can grab a few hours of sleep , but its pricey and LYs Y+ should allow a savings and although not a lie-flat still alot more room and hoping the ability to fall asleep

Except in this case, LY's Y+ is priced roughly the same as LX's C

Premium Economy 787 seats?
 

Anyone have advise on seating preferences in Premium Economy? Row 10 (bulkhead?) vs. a back row?
Also, any compaison between exit row economy on ElAl 777 vs random Premium 787 seat? Is the Premium seat worth the additional cost?

Not impressed with the PE 787 on LY
Not worth the additional $$$ over a E+ seat on the 747 or 777, exit row or not. However, Y on the LY 787 is horrid - so if you MUST fly the 787, then I suppose go for the PE.
As long as there is a non-787 option, choose it.
The LY 787 is terrible.

Well that settles that future issue