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Innocent Abroad Feb 5, 2018 2:01 pm


Originally Posted by 24left (Post 29382399)
@Innocent Abroad

Not really

1. check out the Boeing - Paine Airport Twitter photos. You'll see an AC and QF aircraft with tail-only paint

https://twitter.com/mattcawby?lang=en

2. I posted this video upthread back in August. You can see how the tail on this LY aircraft is painted ahead of assembly.

https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/28723994-post136.html

That was exactly my point, that for some reason the tail is painted separately :)

24left Feb 5, 2018 5:24 pm


Originally Posted by Innocent Abroad (Post 29382900)
That was exactly my point, that for some reason the tail is painted separately :)


"Why is the tail painted with the carrier's logo before a plane is assembled?"

https://www.quora.com/Why-is-the-tai...e-is-assembled


" Why Only Tails Painted On New Aircraft?"

Why Only Tails Painted On New Aircraft? - Airliners.net

OldNewYorker Feb 11, 2018 6:17 pm

Update on 787 Wi-Fi
 
With Viasat 2 going live this month, have there been any public comments on when the LY 787s will provide transatlantic connectivity?

24left Feb 17, 2018 6:35 am

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...235a05137d.png

clubman Feb 18, 2018 3:52 am

Not sure whether this has been published here or not, but just in case it hasn't, here is the delivery schedule for the next Dreamliners:

789 - February 2018

789 - March 2018

789- June 2018

789 - August 2018

789 - October 2018

789 - January 2019

789 - June 2019

788 -July 2019

788 - September 2019

788 - December 2019

788 - March 2002

788 -May 2020

788 - August 2020

788 - November 2020

In addition, the company announced the 18/1/18 that they were to lease an additional 789 to be delivered 3 of 2019.

NYTA Feb 19, 2018 12:56 am

I really don't understand why they are getting both the 788 and 789. Assuming travel demand will just grow it seems shortsighted.

flyerby Feb 19, 2018 1:47 am


Originally Posted by NYTA (Post 29432883)
I really don't understand why they are getting both the 788 and 789. Assuming travel demand will just grow it seems shortsighted.

They are cheaper by a few 10s of millions $ and if you look at LY’s retirement schedule you’ll see that 789 are 744 replacement and 788 are 767 replacement.

https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/el-a...-schedule.html

entropy Feb 19, 2018 12:48 pm

Still, after discounts (~50%) the diff in cost (20M) seems very small compared to the benefit of full commonality and potential growth.

24left Feb 20, 2018 6:07 pm

Some fleet information from Planespotters.net

https://www.planespotters.net/airlin...srael-Airlines

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...cc00099141.png


If you click the aircraft type e.g. Boeing 787, it will display more detail
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...ddacdad670.png

Then if you click the number "2" on the line for the Boeing 787-9, this will open
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...20a16679d4.png


Also, on the Fleet Matrix page, if you scroll down, there is a section with ....

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...e84f3f6519.png



And at the bottom of the list for the 789, you'll see this


https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...5bce3096bd.png

joshwex90 Feb 25, 2018 2:24 am

It's very nice that LY now has true Premium Economy on the 787 but they can't seem to price it properly. Just compared r/t TLV-NYC and LY Y+ came out to more expensive than C on the route on a variety of European carriers including AZ, SN, LO, BA, LH, and OS. Yes it's direct, but I'd rather save the $100 and fly lie-flat on BA.

hnussbacher Feb 25, 2018 2:35 am


Originally Posted by joshwex90 (Post 29455883)
It's very nice that LY now has true Premium Economy on the 787 but they can't seem to price it properly. Just compared r/t TLV-NYC and LY Y+ came out to more expensive than C on the route on a variety of European carriers including AZ, SN, LO, BA, LH, and OS. Yes it's direct, but I'd rather save the $100 and fly lie-flat on BA.

May 29-June 12 to Newark costs $1600 via Y+. Via BA is $2450 for C. What numbers are you seeing?

joshwex90 Feb 25, 2018 3:01 am

$2300 in LY Y+; $2200 in BA CW. Newark in both cases

clubman Feb 25, 2018 6:09 am

Not at all surprising.

joshwex90 Feb 25, 2018 6:15 am

By means of comparison, LO's brand new Y+ is more than $1K less than LY for the same routing. AZ is a bit more but considers the TLV-FCO-TLV legs to be in Biz (obviously same seat so the only real benefit there is check-in/security/lounge/miles, but still)

Innocent Abroad Feb 25, 2018 11:53 am

And in the meantime 4X-EDC has landed in TLV and from March 3 it will operate the HKG rotation.


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