AA to start MIA-TLV and JFK-TLV (maybe LY too)
Apr 20, 2013, 7:25 pm
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Unless they are already US Passport holders, Central and South American pax have a difficult time transiting through the United States to onward destinations as a consequence of the 9/11 attacks and TSA regulations. Therefore, these pax tend to transit through Europe. IB has been particularly successful transiting these pax through their hub at MAD.
Nonetheless, there are a large number of people who do already have US visas. Additionally, there are also a number of people in Central and South America (as well as Mexico and the Carribean) who hold varrious EU or other passports not requiring a US visa.
IB has indeed benefited from ex-South America traffic as a result of US immigration policy. So to have BA, AF/KL, AM and others.
I still, however, stand by my prediction that AA would be more succesful at getting traffic transiting the US (from other than Canada) to Israel than US has been able to do.
Any thoughts on the AA-RJ relationship over the US-AA relationship, especially with regards to LY?
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Apr 21, 2013, 5:47 am
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Even if they "can" transit doesn't mean it's fun to do so. I'd much rather xfer in the EU any day, and I avoid Domestic US xfers like the plague when my final destination is *IN* the US even!
Apr 21, 2013, 8:37 am
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IB has indeed benefited from ex-South America traffic as a result of US immigration policy. So to have AA, AF/KL, AM and others.
I still, however, stand by my prediction that AA would be more succesful at getting traffic transiting the US (from other than Canada) to Israel than US has been able to do.
Any thoughts on the AA-RJ relationship over the US-AA relationship, especially with regards to LY?
I still, however, stand by my prediction that AA would be more succesful at getting traffic transiting the US (from other than Canada) to Israel than US has been able to do.
Any thoughts on the AA-RJ relationship over the US-AA relationship, especially with regards to LY?
My thoughts on the AA-RJ relationship delve into the geo-political which I do not want to get into in this forum, but I do not see the AA-RJ relationship expanding as a consequence of, what I believe, will be a destabilization of Jordan in the near to mid term.
Jul 14, 2013, 3:52 pm
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As it currently stands there is virtually NO connecting traffic through TLV on LY or any other airline. My idea is to develop such a market. I am not saying nor thinking that it could compete with Dubai, but it is a market that can and should be cultivated. The large O&D market between TLV and the far east coupled with a small and steadily growing east-west traffic (perhaps even a kangaroo route from TLV) would enable LY to increase frequencies and generate significantly more revenue than it does.
Back to one of the earlier topics here, I imagine that US' PHL-TLV route is a goner one way or the other. Either AA will drop the route entirely (out of not wanting to pay up the TWA debt) or it will shift it to MIA as part of moving many of US' international routes out of PHL (since AA already has a hub in NYC, a much larger and more prestigious market that is within driving distance of PHL).
Jul 14, 2013, 7:15 pm
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How does the fact that EL AL cannot overly much of the Middle East on the way to the Far East inhibits their ability to create a hub at TLV in light of the fact that they already fly TLV-Far East routes, and those routes are profitable for the company? All LY would need to do is market east/west travel through TLV, actually allow such bookings to take place on their website, and reduce transit time in TLV by scheduling east/west flights accordingly. Adding fuel efficient a/c on these routes and restructuring EL AL's high operating costs would add to their profitability. If Emirates and Etihad can do it, so can EL AL even though EL AL has to fly around the Arabian Peninsula. But then again, these issues were discussed in previous posts and debated already.
As far as whether AA keeps the PHL-TLV route, I see no reason for them not to if it is profitable. They could add JFK and MIA in addition. It would not be wise for an airline to cut a profitable and popular route. The only logical reason for them to do so would be issues surrounding TWA's debts in TLV that AA refused to pay.
As far as whether AA keeps the PHL-TLV route, I see no reason for them not to if it is profitable. They could add JFK and MIA in addition. It would not be wise for an airline to cut a profitable and popular route. The only logical reason for them to do so would be issues surrounding TWA's debts in TLV that AA refused to pay.
Jul 15, 2013, 12:01 pm
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Please keep this thread to the topic of AA route. Discussion of the viability of TLV as a hub are welcome in appropriate threads.
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Dec 9, 2013, 8:09 am
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As the merger completed this morning, wonder if anyone has updates on the US TLV-PHL and whether it will now be scrapped due to the TWA liabilities issue, or if we are now de facto getting AA back to TLV, or even adding services (MIA, ORD, BOS, JFK)? As long as whatever there is gets included in the BA TATL joint business, I will be thrilled.
Dec 9, 2013, 9:23 am
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We'll just have to wait and see...
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We'll just have to wait and see...
Dec 9, 2013, 8:39 pm
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The challenge to building a hub at TLV is that most of the nearby countries won't allow LY to overfly their airspace. LY's routes to the Far East have to either go north over Turkey and back SE or down the Red Sea and around Saudi Arabia, rather than taking a direct route. This adds considerably to the flight time and therefore fuel costs. Can LY overcome that? Is there enough demand to overcome that? Heck, does LY want to overcome that?
Back to one of the earlier topics here, I imagine that US' PHL-TLV route is a goner one way or the other. Either AA will drop the route entirely (out of not wanting to pay up the TWA debt) or it will shift it to MIA as part of moving many of US' international routes out of PHL (since AA already has a hub in NYC, a much larger and more prestigious market that is within driving distance of PHL).
Back to one of the earlier topics here, I imagine that US' PHL-TLV route is a goner one way or the other. Either AA will drop the route entirely (out of not wanting to pay up the TWA debt) or it will shift it to MIA as part of moving many of US' international routes out of PHL (since AA already has a hub in NYC, a much larger and more prestigious market that is within driving distance of PHL).
Dec 10, 2013, 2:59 am
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I always wondered about this - is that the official policy? I once booked a Thai airlines flight from BKK - AKL that had a stop in Sydney and didn't say anything on the ticket about it. Couldn't they just do SIN-LCA with a stop in TLV and not actually fly the TLV-LCA part? (Assuming it was an airline other than LY)
Dec 10, 2013, 9:36 am
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As the merger completed this morning, wonder if anyone has updates on the US TLV-PHL and whether it will now be scrapped due to the TWA liabilities issue, or if we are now de facto getting AA back to TLV, or even adding services (MIA, ORD, BOS, JFK)? As long as whatever there is gets included in the BA TATL joint business, I will be thrilled.