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Herb687 Dec 31, 2014 11:00 am


Originally Posted by Herb687 (Post 24020255)
The best bourbon I have experienced is the James E. Pepper 1776 15 Year. Great stuff. Actually an Indiana bourbon. James E. Pepper has four whiskeys (2 ryes, 2 bourbons) under the 1776 brand so make sure you are drinking the right one.


Originally Posted by whackyjacky (Post 24034184)
I'm sure you know you can't call it Bourbon. Thanks for the tip though.


Originally Posted by stimpy (Post 24035358)
True. There's no such thing as Bourbon from Indiana!


Originally Posted by TWA884 (Post 24036850)
I disagree.

I disagree too. There is no requirement that bourbon come from Kentucky.



Originally Posted by stimpy (Post 24036977)
True, you won't go to jail for labeling your Indiana whiskey Bourbon. But to a Bourbon purist it has to come from Kentucky, where they've been making it since the 1700's.

Well then why not go all out with your bourbon purity test and refuse to drink any bourbon that does not come from Bourbon County?

(Of all of the commercially relevant Kentucky bourbon producers today, none are in Bourbon County.)

The bourbon purity argument centers on silliness given A) the stuff is not from Bourbon County anyway; and B) "terroir" is pretty meaningless in whiskey production as opposed to say winemaking.

Do the bourbon purists really delude themselves into thinking that ol' Pappy's mashbill calls for only the rarest artisinal corn lovingly grown on the Van Winkle family estate? :rolleyes: Give me a freakin' break! Even the finest of KY bourbon producers source their grains mostly from out of state.

I'm sure the vaunted purity of Kentucky limestone-filtered water can be replicated in other places.

And by the way, bourbon, unlike Champagne or Scotch whisky, should not be capitalized.



Originally Posted by BamaVol (Post 24037940)
Wait, next you'll be saying that the Japanese aren't really producing scotch.


Originally Posted by nkedel (Post 24037968)
Japenese malt whisky, including some single malts, can be a very fine thing (and some of them downright bargains compared to Scotch) but I've never seen them referred to as "Scotch" except colloquially.

I have never heard anyone refer to Japanese whisky as Scotch.



Originally Posted by stimpy (Post 24038318)
From that list, I don't see any Bourbon that I know and love from outside of KY. I see a couple of rye's, but those we know come from all over, and the rye itself mostly comes from Canada.


Originally Posted by FlyingDoctorwu (Post 24041924)
AH hirsch 16 yo is delicious. I'm fortunate to have a bottle open and a bottle in reserve. One of the best bourbons ever (look it up). Oh and it's not from Kentucky. Distilled in PA.

Well there you have it. A PA bourbon that gets rave reviews, sells for over $1000 a bottle, but gets scoffed at by bourbon purists since it isn't from KY!

TWA884 Dec 31, 2014 9:53 pm


whackyjacky Jan 1, 2015 12:44 am

^^^^ Posted already about 10 pages back.

BamaVol Jan 1, 2015 3:28 pm


Originally Posted by Sweet Willie (Post 24072506)
I had brought along a bottle of Angels Envy for use after a pheasant hunt a couple of weeks ago. The table had a # of single malts & bourbons our group brought. Angels Envy was the one folks went to for additional drinks. I very much enjoyed it as well.

I just picked up a bottle at a very reasonable price - $41.99. Very nice. Smoooooooth and a hint of spice. I probably won't open anything else until this one is empty.

Points Scrounger Jan 2, 2015 11:21 am


Originally Posted by drwilliams (Post 24070617)
FTR, it is marketed as a whiskey because it is whiskey. Scotch and Bourbon are protected terms, whiskey is not. Dry Fly also makes a bourbon, too.

Thanks - I bought some of their bourbon yesterday, but prefer the Port Whiskey.

Duke787 Jan 2, 2015 12:02 pm

Just picked up a bottle of Widow Jane's 8 Year while I was home in NYC for the holidays. It's pretty good and definitely not something you can find down here in NC

broadwayblue Jan 2, 2015 6:12 pm


Originally Posted by flyerdude88 (Post 24089238)
Just picked up a bottle of Widow Jane's 8 Year while I was home in NYC for the holidays. It's pretty good and definitely not something you can find down here in NC

Just sampled it tonight at a friend's place (think mine was 7 year though). He got a 200ml bottle in his stocking. Definitely enjoyed it.

seekinghelp Jan 4, 2015 8:17 pm

I won a 20 year pappy for Christmas. I drank half the bottle in the past two weeks and then a friend just told me it was like gold.

FlyingDoctorwu Jan 4, 2015 8:32 pm


Originally Posted by seekinghelp (Post 24102099)
I won a 20 year pappy for Christmas. I drank half the bottle in the past two weeks and then a friend just told me it was like gold.

Enjoy it... I am about to finish a bottle.. it's good stuff.. it tastes better in your mouth than in the bottle....

But yes it is almost impossible to get...
FDW

whackyjacky Jan 5, 2015 10:25 pm


Originally Posted by seekinghelp (Post 24102099)
I won a 20 year pappy for Christmas. I drank half the bottle in the past two weeks and then a friend just told me it was like gold.

Too bad you drank it before you knew. If you sold it, you could have bought a lot of excellent whiskey, a vacation, & a 60".

Flying Machine Jan 6, 2015 9:00 pm

Eagle Rare 10 Year Old Single Barrel is my Burbon of Choice. I learned of it while touring around Kentucky. Was the best of the trip.. Great Value as well! Happy Drinking and Safe Travels

Sousaphil Jan 15, 2015 10:12 am

I just picked up a bottle of Lost Prophet from Diageo's Orphan Barrel limited release program. Retail at Total Wine in Edina was $125.

A friend said he thought it was superior to Pappy 20. I read a review that agreed with that assessment so I thought I'd give it a try. $125 is not exactly an everyday drinking price point for me, but it's quite a value if it compares favorably to PVW.

broadwayblue Jan 16, 2015 7:45 pm


Originally Posted by Sousaphil (Post 24172442)
I just picked up a bottle of Lost Prophet from Diageo's Orphan Barrel limited release program. Retail at Total Wine in Edina was $125.

A friend said he thought it was superior to Pappy 20. I read a review that agreed with that assessment so I thought I'd give it a try. $125 is not exactly an everyday drinking price point for me, but it's quite a value if it compares favorably to PVW.

Let us know what you think. I briefly considered a bottle but have held off for now due to the high price and low(ish) proof. Reviews I've read have been mixed, with John Hansell of Whisky Advocate really liking it, while others found it high on price and thin on flavor.

FlyingDoctorwu Jan 17, 2015 6:46 am


Originally Posted by Sousaphil (Post 24172442)
I just picked up a bottle of Lost Prophet from Diageo's Orphan Barrel limited release program. Retail at Total Wine in Edina was $125.

A friend said he thought it was superior to Pappy 20. I read a review that agreed with that assessment so I thought I'd give it a try. $125 is not exactly an everyday drinking price point for me, but it's quite a value if it compares favorably to PVW.

I'm not a huge pappy fan (but do drink it from time to time) but nothing from Diaegos orphan barrel compares. I don't mean to belittle your choice in whisky because it's ok whisky for the most part. My biggest problem is how Diaego has marketed the whisky. They've ridden the coatails of both the names of Stitzel Weller and George T Stagg; two icons in bourbon which honestly aren't at all related to the Diaego products. They play up the limited release nature but some numbers I've seen for the Rhetoric place the run to almost 40k bottles (for instance I think George T stagg this year had 14k bottle run, which was the largest of the buffalo trace). Finally they have tried to make a good story up about the spirit, which is all the new rage but mostly just marketing BS. Orphan barrel? This idea that they stashed it in the back of Stitzel Weller and forgot about it? BS. All barrels have tax paid on them so nobody forgot about them. The truth of the matter is all of the honey barrels are gone at this warehouse and this is just stuff that didn't make the cut. It's still ok stuff but not anywhere what they claim it to be.

So in summary it's ok stuff but Diaego has pumped up the marketing on it so that it just turns me off. I'm fairly sick of all the marketing rhetoric that's going on these days (templeton, whistle pig, etc).

Fdw

Points Scrounger Jan 24, 2015 11:25 am

If you ever see Dry Fly Bourbon (those words on the bottle, NOT whiskey) for sale -- RUN the other way!


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