I thought I had indicated my interest in attending a DL DO but in reviewing this thread I could not find my post :confused: :(

So here you are

1) if you were responsible for your travel and hotel, would this impact your decision to attend?
Yes. If DL werer to work out a special fare and hotel rate that would be nice. Can a 777 land and take off from GNV?
2) of those that would attend, would you be ok with signing an nda?
Yes, as long as it is reasonable.
3) would anyone have issues with providing their flyertalk name with their real name and skymiles number?
Any reason why we would need to?
4) of those still left desiring to attend, would my attendance make you change your mind? j/k!
You have seen my mind??? Where???

Umm ... I think that ship has sailed. :rolleyes:

For what it's worth, I'd be willing to see what I could do to get a Comair DO set up...not sure what we could do but if there's any interest I'd be more than happy to see what I could do here at my little wholly-owned ;)

Well, I suppose my work here is done before it even got started.

I am disappointed and regret the latest development regarding what was being planned, but I am still available if things do change.

Thank you anyway, DeltaWebDev. Your presence here in the Delta forum is greatly appreciated.That is very generous of you to offer this, zsmith2.

Thank you.

anyone have an idea as to how to respond? from what i can gather there's a level of animosity towards DL corporate where it doesn't matter what happens; if its not the desired outcome then some conspiracy theory or otherwise is thrown out like chum. from there it seems to be a feeding frenzy and most of the time i don't feel comfortable "chiming in." in this case i don't believe i have a choice.

first and foremost, DL management and Jeff had NOTHING to do with it. i cannot stress that enough. the DO is something i personally took an interest in and worked to find enthusiastic volunteers in a wide range of areas so that all could get a good look "behind the curtain." i would compare it with a "grassroots" movement and absolutely not an "oh CO did X.4 so we should too." i prefer the fact it was started as a dialog between FT'ers and DL employees (like myself).

from the moment i was contact here in regards to the issue, i was in touch with my coworkers. i was under the impression we'd gotten it all resolved by the end of the day, and then i saw a thread about it to a level of detail that prompted some other FT members to attempt the same thing.

so did everyone who _had_ volunteered to help. that is the connection between the two. you can call it a knee jerk reaction if you'd like. i don't blame them. a good chunk of their day was spent fixing something only to get to start it all over again. we were all left slack jawed and disappointed.

so, for those of you looking to point a finger, point it at me and not DL corporate. i thought my skin was a bit tougher. it might be, but i'm not willing to find out at the expense of my coworkers. certainly i could go in and ask that all shouldn't be judged by the act of ones, but that's how i started yesterday. this year is hard enough with the amount of work we need to do for integration. why make their lives harder, again?

so that's the story. its not some conspiracy. no one was looking for a reason to stop the momentum. no, this time its the little guys like me at DL. i'm sorry if i've let y'all down.

fwiw: full road warrior training is 7 hrs and a maximum of 2 groups of 33 can be accommodated a day.

DeltaWebDev, thank you for the explanation and clarification. I kinda understand the reaction, even if I don't like it or agree with it. We're all sorry if it sours anyone on the DL side to FT, and if it sours anyone on the FT side to DL. In the end it was all individual humans doing what they felt was best, but at counter purposes.

It seems there was some scapegoating going on from both sides. :(
That may come from each side seeing the other as a monolith, rather than as a jumble of interesting individuals.

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DWD, I feel your pain and sorry this has caused angst. I think, personally, if a DO is going to be successful and valuable, upper management should be involved. Not that we wouldn't enjoy what you and your co-workers would offer. I just think maybe your efforts can be better aimed at convincing the higher ups of the value of such outreach, rather than trying to take the whole thing on yourself.

With all due respect to DWD, zsmith et al, as I appreciate their genuine interest and effort...



This whole thread reads like an amateur hour farce given what CO has done. This all seems kinda like a bunch of kids who attended the best-in-class Ringling Bros Circus (the CO event) and then decided to stage a circus of their own in their backyard for their family and neighbors.

If DL isn't going to do something even remotely professional, perhaps it's better to just not try.

Actually, CO specifically stated that any future events would more closely approximate DeltaWebDev's initially-proposed event rather than CO Do IV. The removal of this possibility shouldn't detract from the opportunities that any of these great DL / DL Connection employees are trying to provide.

+1

Andy, I am sorry but that is just plain wrong.

A couple of years ago I hosted a small meet in a restaurant landside in ATL. Although like all FlyerTalk meets it was announced on CommunityBuzz and open to all FTers, only a handful showed up. One of those was a Delta exec.

He told us that he could arrange for a limited number of FTers to get some time in "flying time" in a Delta cockpit (meaning that they would get some instruction, sit in a Link trainer, and "pilot" it). Needless to say, this was something that most FTers would kill for.

The problem was that the number really was limited. All those attending the meet were invited and there were only two more spaces. Okay, I wasn't going to fly back from Israel just for this so that made three available places.

He left it up to me to determine who would get them. Here, perhaps, I made a mistake, but I decided not to invite anyone at all. After all, how would I choose them? Should I go with my closest friends and infuriate everyone else? Should I offer them to PMs with the most BIS miles and get everyone else upset? Should I figure out a way to make it sheer luck and wind up with someone with 2 days on FT and one post getting a place while FT Evangelists didn't?

There was no good answer and I decided it would be restricted to those who were in the ATL Meet and had gotten direct invitations. I didn't even mention it on FlyerTalk (and neither did any of those attending until after the event).

This wasn't an "official" Delta event -- just something which one Delta exec could arrange for a few people.

Still, from what I was told afterward, they all had a wonderful time and were very happy that they took part in it.

Would it really have been better not to do this at all? Why should those who were able to attend have been denied this unique opportunity?

Not everything in life has to be perfect in order to be good.

"Everything is perfect, but there is a lot of room for improvement."
- Shunryu Suzuki

Reaching for a cup of hot mint tea.

+2

Anybody not interested can choose not to attend.

David

We actually had a very successful small-scale gathering at CVG a couple years ago -- nothing wrong with that approach.