New upgrade rules effective Jan 1, 2004... Happy Holidays from DL!
Dec 17, 2003, 5:07 pm
#31
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by greg:
DL package is worth switching from AA/UA. Will put some pressure on AA/UA and that's a good thing for us all.</font>
DL package is worth switching from AA/UA. Will put some pressure on AA/UA and that's a good thing for us all.</font>
Not as long as DL makes discounted coach tickets worth only .5 elite miles per mile flown.
Dec 17, 2003, 5:07 pm
#32
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by outtolunch:
Here it is: http://www.delta.com/skymiles/about/...ades/index.jsp</font>
Here it is: http://www.delta.com/skymiles/about/...ades/index.jsp</font>
Dec 17, 2003, 5:10 pm
#33
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You have to wonder what kinds of discussion took place on Virgina Ave that caused this DRASTIC change to take place. Wow.
You know somebody is pointing out that lots of customers FLEW OTHER CARRIERS since the prospect of upgrades was so slim in Delta's future. Now, they bring them back, but at what loss?
Side note - Unlimited never really seemed to make much sense, even as I flew as a PM for some many years. When you earned them, even at a HIGH rate, it made you think twice about using them up. And even better for DL, people worked hard at earning them. But, that kind of logic is way past what DL is capable of.
When I was given my Flying Colonel and rec'd a 5 year CRC card, I met with a Sr VP of Marketing and asked why they did not send a new one each year, to make it LOOK more valuable. No answer.
You know somebody is pointing out that lots of customers FLEW OTHER CARRIERS since the prospect of upgrades was so slim in Delta's future. Now, they bring them back, but at what loss?
Side note - Unlimited never really seemed to make much sense, even as I flew as a PM for some many years. When you earned them, even at a HIGH rate, it made you think twice about using them up. And even better for DL, people worked hard at earning them. But, that kind of logic is way past what DL is capable of.
When I was given my Flying Colonel and rec'd a 5 year CRC card, I met with a Sr VP of Marketing and asked why they did not send a new one each year, to make it LOOK more valuable. No answer.
Dec 17, 2003, 5:17 pm
#34
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If only I had been living in a hole for the past year - I never would have known about the old pending changes (like most of DL's FFs)and never would have changed my travel pattern, earning PM again.
I guess in this case, ignorance is bliss.
I guess in this case, ignorance is bliss.
Dec 17, 2003, 5:24 pm
#35
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I'm very surprised and pleased by this move, if it pans out.
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Dec 17, 2003, 5:25 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by NYNOVA:
The 750 mile minimum is good news as well, and I think that is an acceptable compromise for short segment flyers. </font>
The 750 mile minimum is good news as well, and I think that is an acceptable compromise for short segment flyers. </font>
#2. Am I correct to assume that 750-mile minimum translates to 375 MQM for L, U, and T fares? So, they are giving out a whopping 125 extra MQM's?
At any rate, very welcome news although I must still question whether full EQM for any fare on Northwest is a better deal. They already offered unlimited spade-available upgrades.
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Dec 17, 2003, 5:29 pm
#37
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The website as it now stands states that unlimited upgrades are for Y and B fares only for GM and FO. That implies the old MSU's will still be used for all other fares.
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Dec 17, 2003, 5:32 pm
#38
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WOW!
I can not beleive that they actually gave in this much! I really feel as though SSM has really accomplished something that will be standard for the airline industry to go by. That standard should be to never tick off your best customers. I will give DL 100% of my business in 2004 if they let me keep my GM status. GREAT WORK SSM!
I can not beleive that they actually gave in this much! I really feel as though SSM has really accomplished something that will be standard for the airline industry to go by. That standard should be to never tick off your best customers. I will give DL 100% of my business in 2004 if they let me keep my GM status. GREAT WORK SSM!
Dec 17, 2003, 5:34 pm
#39
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Glad for relief in this market, but I still miss the system-wide upgrades that kept me flying Delta on almost all my international trips.
Dec 17, 2003, 5:40 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by gilpin:
The website as it now stands states that unlimited upgrades are for Y and B fares only for GM and FO. That implies the old MSU's will still be used for all other fares.
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The website as it now stands states that unlimited upgrades are for Y and B fares only for GM and FO. That implies the old MSU's will still be used for all other fares.
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Of course, if this is a little hoax on my part, I had better watch our for the SSM lynchmob
Dec 17, 2003, 5:41 pm
#41
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Canarsie:
...and they don’t anymore, as they will now be unlimited!..</font>
...and they don’t anymore, as they will now be unlimited!..</font>
Dec 17, 2003, 5:41 pm
#42
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by gilpin:
Not according to the website. They will only be unlimited for YBM for PM and YB for GM and FO.
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Not according to the website. They will only be unlimited for YBM for PM and YB for GM and FO.
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Dec 17, 2003, 5:42 pm
#43
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by andymo99:
The website does not yet reflect the information circulated to DL employees today. Give it a little time.
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The website does not yet reflect the information circulated to DL employees today. Give it a little time.
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Dec 17, 2003, 5:44 pm
#44
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by DFWRaider:
Not as long as DL makes discounted coach tickets worth only .5 elite miles per mile flown.</font>
Not as long as DL makes discounted coach tickets worth only .5 elite miles per mile flown.</font>
However, this is at least a step in the right direction and I think SSM had something to do with it.
Despite my switch to US, I will follow these developments with interest.
Dec 17, 2003, 6:00 pm
#45
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Yay! Leo's insULT beast finally gets slain.
DL came to its senses and decided it was better to fly a full FC section and give everyone at least some chance at an upgrade than to lock people out and run them off. Flying empty FC seats to give the higher-fare payers an air of exclusivity cost DL more than it "saved."
OTOH, the 50% MQMs remains a deal-breaker for me.
DL came to its senses and decided it was better to fly a full FC section and give everyone at least some chance at an upgrade than to lock people out and run them off. Flying empty FC seats to give the higher-fare payers an air of exclusivity cost DL more than it "saved."
OTOH, the 50% MQMs remains a deal-breaker for me.