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Delta/Boeing Nearing Deal for 737 MAX 10

emma dog

I want to like the airbus sentiment. Definitely not excited or happy.

N830MH

It’s official!!

https://news.delta.com/delta-adds-st...tp59&fs=e&s=cl

Congratulations to Delta and Boeing.

emma dog

why congratulate delta? It’s a terrible plane from the passenger perspective.

readywhenyouare

Comfort is up to the airline. It's funny that I don't recall all these people complaining about the 737-200 or Classics (-300/400/500) years ago. United has the same 18 inch seats on their 737-9 as they do on their A320 fleet. And some Airbus operators choose to have a narrower seat so they can have a wider aisle to expedite boarding.

ATOBTTR

I know I don't have access to the same data and drivers of the decision that the DL Execs who made this decision looked at but like some others I too wish DL had opted for more Airbus rather than more 737s, particularly the MAX. I'm sure it was a combination of delivery dates and, and acquisition costs, and operational costs among other factors but I just find DL's Airbus A32X series (particularly the A321) to be more comfortable based on the way DL configures them.

ATOBTTR

Well, those birds were retired long before your FT join date, so that could be why. But based on how "seat width" is measured, two airlines could advertise the same seat width or even an airline could advertise the same "seat width" on two different aircraft but the actual comfort provided by that "seat width" could vary wildly because seat-width is measured as the distance between the armrests. Other factors that impact comfort such as the lav space are major factors too, and some of that is impacted by the aircraft design.

jgers1j

There was nothing in the Delta press release touting the first class seats being the same as the new A321 neos. Are we to assume these aircraft will not have those seats? Can the width of the MAX accommodate those seats?

lindros2

The front of Boeing aircraft is absolutely more narrow than Airbus - you can clearly see this with FC aisle space on A319/20/21.
But not sure if seats can be the same - one would think Delta would like to standardize...

BER Flyer

Congratulations to Delta because they got a nice deal from Boeing. As others mentioned already not such a nice deal for us, the passengers. But the "aquiring cost's per seat" are a lot better with Boeing then with Airbus at the moment. And some here seems to forgot that DL's management is working for the company owners, not the company's customers.

readywhenyouare

I guess I just don't get the drama. I'm not miserable even on a CRJ. I've slept just fine on plenty of 738 redeyes. No one is forced to fly on the 737. And on that note, do you think most passengers are willing to pay more for a negligible amount of shoulder room? Do you think passenger comfort was on the minds of Spirit and Frontier when they ordered the A320?

DenverBrian

Me too. Ick.

Newman55

I don't get it either... I think it's like arguing over Coke versus Pepsi. If you don't like the 737 for some arbitrary reason, fine, but it makes a lot of sense economically for Delta.

drminn

In this duopoly Delta has an interest in keeping the competition going between Airbus and Boeing. They may be better off in the long term buying from the less desirable supplier just to keep the market in balance. Over the last couple of years it was way out of balance in favor of Airbus.

Duke787

Definitely some politics at play here too. Even though much of the Airbus fleet for the US3 is built in the US, it’s important for appearances to make a Boeing order.

Let’s not forget this deal is not actually a done deal yet, at the moment it’s just a paper deal because the MAX10 hasn’t been certified and is not on track to be certified by EOY which has a lot of knock on effects.

This could turn it a whole lot of nothing depending on what transpires there.

I took my first Max flight about a month ago (canceled YYZ - RDU flight on AC became YYZ - EWR - RDU on UA and the EWR - RDU was on the Max but it was my only option to get home). It was fine, putting aside the flight issues (which hopefully have been resolved as promised) the interior was indistinguishable from any other 737