Delta/Boeing 737-MAX Plane Transaction Thread (Consolidated)
Jan 19, 2024, 6:37 pm
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The -10 neither has MCAS or door plugs (might be the best one out the bunch tbh). If Delta pilots are going to be flying it without hesitation, then I have no hesitation of being a passenger. Unless they are having a mental break, no one is going to work on something they believe is unsafe.
The MAX has a tainted rep from MCAS (rightfully so), but this current issue is a QC one and imho has zero to do with the actual aircraft; other than it being the current production model. Could have easily been a 739, if those were still in production and Spirit Aerospace was slacking. Boeing will take the full blame, regardless of which subcontractor caused the issue and rectify it.
The MAX has a tainted rep from MCAS (rightfully so), but this current issue is a QC one and imho has zero to do with the actual aircraft; other than it being the current production model. Could have easily been a 739, if those were still in production and Spirit Aerospace was slacking. Boeing will take the full blame, regardless of which subcontractor caused the issue and rectify it.
Jan 19, 2024, 8:33 pm
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Nowhere did I said it makes things better. I said if the pilots aren't worried about flying the aircraft, then I am not worried about stepping on it.
Jan 19, 2024, 8:45 pm
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Acceptable answers to this question range between 6 and ~800 (launch of 707 program) months. Regardless of what number you choose, I fail to see how this informs your certainty that the current issue has zero to do with the aircraft.
Jan 19, 2024, 9:15 pm
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It's a door plug that has been introduced since 2007 in the 739. How would that equate to a specific aircraft (Max) issue? I fail to see the correlation between the two as the same fuselage, has been used for eons.
Jan 19, 2024, 9:23 pm
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I didn't make a connection between the length of time 737 fuselages have been built and the current issue...you did. I was simply curious about your logic in general and how you have employed it to draw a resolute conclusion.
Jan 20, 2024, 12:01 am
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So your question was puzzling at best.
Jan 22, 2024, 7:22 am
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FAA "Urges" 737-900ER Inspections
The FAA has urged airlines operating the Boeing 737-900ER model should “visually inspect mid-exit door plugs to ensure the door is properly secured,” referring to the panel that plugs the hole where a mid-plane exit would be.
“The Boeing 737-900ER is not part of the newer Max fleet but has the same door plug design,” the US aviation regulator added in what is known as a safety alert for operators
Delta Air Lines told CNN Monday that they had already started inspections of their Boeing 737-900ER aircraft and did not anticipate any disruptions to operations.
“The Boeing 737-900ER is not part of the newer Max fleet but has the same door plug design,” the US aviation regulator added in what is known as a safety alert for operators
Delta Air Lines told CNN Monday that they had already started inspections of their Boeing 737-900ER aircraft and did not anticipate any disruptions to operations.
Jan 23, 2024, 10:28 am
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United basically writing off the Max 10, at least for the foreseeable future.
Kirby says "Best case 5 years behind original delivery" for the Max 10.
"Building a plan that doesn't have the Max 10 in it"
Kirby says "Best case 5 years behind original delivery" for the Max 10.
"Building a plan that doesn't have the Max 10 in it"
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Jan 23, 2024, 10:50 am
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Jan 23, 2024, 4:34 pm
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The Max 10 does indeed have rear fusulage door plugs, it has too, it is longer than the Max9! It has different avionics software software than the Max 8 and 9 and therefore pilot training to deal with the MCAS will be different. Boeing got a cross-certification exemption via a corrupt congress. I hope delta cancels it's flying turd orders
Jan 26, 2024, 7:59 pm
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The Max 10 does indeed have rear fusulage door plugs, it has too, it is longer than the Max9! It has different avionics software software than the Max 8 and 9 and therefore pilot training to deal with the MCAS will be different. Boeing got a cross-certification exemption via a corrupt congress. I hope delta cancels it's flying turd orders