Delta/Boeing 737-MAX Plane Transaction Thread (Consolidated)
Jul 1, 2022, 7:16 pm
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This maybe about replacing some of the aircraft they have. Many of their 737-800s and 757-200s aren’t young at all. And my personal opinions about the MAX aside, the 737-10 MAX can probably fill a lot of the domestic 757 gap.
Jul 1, 2022, 9:02 pm
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Jul 1, 2022, 9:38 pm
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and 757/67 cross-trained will have to go somewhere when those are mothballed.
people seem to think any pilot can fly any plane
and Airbus is still new-er to Delta. I don’t recall flying one before NW A330.
Jul 1, 2022, 11:30 pm
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I’m not excited for the bathroom but there’s a lot at play here still. -10’s aren’t even certified yet and need to be before the end of the year or Boeing faces new regulations which could further delay the launch. Regulations, I might add, that were the direct result of the original MAX failures/coverup.
Jul 4, 2022, 4:52 pm
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I'm not sure what kind of standard of journalism View From The Wing subscribes to but surely this can't be a factual statement? 😳
https://viewfromthewing.com/delta-on...eing-737-maxs/
In fact Delta CEO Ed Bastian has called Boeing an ‘arms dealer’ to Middle East airlines after his predecessor at the helm of the Atlanta-based carrier intimated that Boeing customers from the Gulf were complicit in 9/11.
https://viewfromthewing.com/delta-on...eing-737-maxs/
Jul 7, 2022, 11:31 am
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Boeing CEO says planemaker could be forced to cancel 737 MAX 10 -Aviation Week (msn.com)
Key statement: "he does not expect to cancel the 737 MAX 10 but said 'it’s just a risk.'"
To me this says Boeing is seriously considering canceling the project and they are sending out some feelers to see how the market reacts. If the market says cut your losses and move on, max 10 is done (which is what I expect). I am sure DL could see the writing on the wall and I am not surprised that DL is playing some games and trying to take advantage of the situation.
Key statement: "he does not expect to cancel the 737 MAX 10 but said 'it’s just a risk.'"
To me this says Boeing is seriously considering canceling the project and they are sending out some feelers to see how the market reacts. If the market says cut your losses and move on, max 10 is done (which is what I expect). I am sure DL could see the writing on the wall and I am not surprised that DL is playing some games and trying to take advantage of the situation.
Jul 7, 2022, 11:51 am
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Boeing CEO says planemaker could be forced to cancel 737 MAX 10 -Aviation Week (msn.com)
Key statement: "he does not expect to cancel the 737 MAX 10 but said 'it’s just a risk.'"
To me this says Boeing is seriously considering canceling the project and they are sending out some feelers to see how the market reacts. If the market says cut your losses and move on, max 10 is done (which is what I expect). I am sure DL could see the writing on the wall and I am not surprised that DL is playing some games and trying to take advantage of the situation.
Key statement: "he does not expect to cancel the 737 MAX 10 but said 'it’s just a risk.'"
To me this says Boeing is seriously considering canceling the project and they are sending out some feelers to see how the market reacts. If the market says cut your losses and move on, max 10 is done (which is what I expect). I am sure DL could see the writing on the wall and I am not surprised that DL is playing some games and trying to take advantage of the situation.
Edit: And Delta is not playing games. They are a business seeking to buy planes at a good price.
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Jul 7, 2022, 11:52 am
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Boeing CEO says planemaker could be forced to cancel 737 MAX 10 -Aviation Week (msn.com)
Key statement: "he does not expect to cancel the 737 MAX 10 but said 'it’s just a risk.'"
To me this says Boeing is seriously considering canceling the project and they are sending out some feelers to see how the market reacts. If the market says cut your losses and move on, max 10 is done (which is what I expect). I am sure DL could see the writing on the wall and I am not surprised that DL is playing some games and trying to take advantage of the situation.
Key statement: "he does not expect to cancel the 737 MAX 10 but said 'it’s just a risk.'"
To me this says Boeing is seriously considering canceling the project and they are sending out some feelers to see how the market reacts. If the market says cut your losses and move on, max 10 is done (which is what I expect). I am sure DL could see the writing on the wall and I am not surprised that DL is playing some games and trying to take advantage of the situation.
Boeing games regulations on the Max in order to not require new pilot training that would cost them money. And 2 crash as a direct result.
And now Boeing wants regulators to exempt the next version from regs that require new pilot training in order to save them money.
I think that proposal will fly like a Max with the stab at max trim down.
Jul 7, 2022, 1:20 pm
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Let me get this right.
Boeing games regulations on the Max in order to not require new pilot training that would cost them money. And 2 crash as a direct result.
And now Boeing wants regulators to exempt the next version from regs that require new pilot training in order to save them money.
I think that proposal will fly like a Max with the stab at max trim down.
Boeing games regulations on the Max in order to not require new pilot training that would cost them money. And 2 crash as a direct result.
And now Boeing wants regulators to exempt the next version from regs that require new pilot training in order to save them money.
I think that proposal will fly like a Max with the stab at max trim down.
Jul 7, 2022, 2:20 pm
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Let me get this right.
Boeing games regulations on the Max in order to not require new pilot training that would cost them money. And 2 crash as a direct result.
And now Boeing wants regulators to exempt the next version from regs that require new pilot training in order to save them money.
I think that proposal will fly like a Max with the stab at max trim down.
Boeing games regulations on the Max in order to not require new pilot training that would cost them money. And 2 crash as a direct result.
And now Boeing wants regulators to exempt the next version from regs that require new pilot training in order to save them money.
I think that proposal will fly like a Max with the stab at max trim down.
First pilot training costs are an airline issue, not a Boeing issue.
Second, what is going on with the -10 has nothing to do with MCAS.
no offense but some of y'all need to chill out on reading the sensational news some of y'all read. The -8 and -9 at United/American/Southwest had the same MCAS issues at times as the airplanes the crashed. The difference between a 3rd world airline and US airline is our pilots are actually trained and actually know how to fly the airplanes. Lion has lawn darted 737NGs as well and I don't see any of you freaking out to fly on them......
They are not cancelling the Max 10. They are threatening it so that congress will grant an extension. The bluff will succeed, Boeing is too important to the US govt.
Edit: And Delta is not playing games. They are a business seeking to buy planes at a good price.
Edit: And Delta is not playing games. They are a business seeking to buy planes at a good price.
Jul 7, 2022, 3:02 pm
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DOT says it hasn’t happened. https://www.forbes.com/sites/marisag...in-the-us/amp/
Jul 7, 2022, 5:22 pm
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Do you have a source that says a US flown 737MAX experienced max downward trim but it was stopped/recovered by the flight crew?
DOT says it hasn’t happened. https://www.forbes.com/sites/marisag...in-the-us/amp/
DOT says it hasn’t happened. https://www.forbes.com/sites/marisag...in-the-us/amp/
So maybe not the exact same but I thought the issues above were similar.
(either way, the -10 issues are a EICAS issue (well lack there of) nothing to do with MCAS)
Jul 7, 2022, 6:13 pm
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You don't have any of that right at all.
First pilot training costs are an airline issue, not a Boeing issue.
Second, what is going on with the -10 has nothing to do with MCAS.
no offense but some of y'all need to chill out on reading the sensational news some of y'all read. The -8 and -9 at United/American/Southwest had the same MCAS issues at times as the airplanes the crashed. The difference between a 3rd world airline and US airline is our pilots are actually trained and actually know how to fly the airplanes. Lion has lawn darted 737NGs as well and I don't see any of you freaking out to fly on them......
exactly this.
First pilot training costs are an airline issue, not a Boeing issue.
Second, what is going on with the -10 has nothing to do with MCAS.
no offense but some of y'all need to chill out on reading the sensational news some of y'all read. The -8 and -9 at United/American/Southwest had the same MCAS issues at times as the airplanes the crashed. The difference between a 3rd world airline and US airline is our pilots are actually trained and actually know how to fly the airplanes. Lion has lawn darted 737NGs as well and I don't see any of you freaking out to fly on them......
exactly this.
https://www.seattletimes.com/busines...7-max-crashes/
Jul 7, 2022, 6:31 pm
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"It was the pilots' fault" is a disproven Boeing talking point. Peddled by significant Boeing investors and the likes of Sam Graves.
https://www.seattletimes.com/busines...7-max-crashes/
https://www.seattletimes.com/busines...7-max-crashes/
Again, go check out the two airlines in question safety record. In third world countries they are generally trained more to baby sit the auto pilot/computers. In the US and Europe they are trained to fly the plane and us the auto pilot/computers if they want. (though we are getting more away from this which is part of why MCAS is a thing to begin with, thanks Southwest)
Jul 7, 2022, 6:58 pm
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I didn't say it was totally the pilots fault, I said pilots in the US are trained better.
Again, go check out the two airlines in question safety record. In third world countries they are generally trained more to baby sit the auto pilot/computers. In the US and Europe they are trained to fly the plane and us the auto pilot/computers if they want. (though we are getting more away from this which is part of why MCAS is a thing to begin with, thanks Southwest)
Again, go check out the two airlines in question safety record. In third world countries they are generally trained more to baby sit the auto pilot/computers. In the US and Europe they are trained to fly the plane and us the auto pilot/computers if they want. (though we are getting more away from this which is part of why MCAS is a thing to begin with, thanks Southwest)